Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals

by Jack Minor –

Using the same tactics used by “gay” rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.

Critics of the homosexual lifestyle have long claimed that once it became acceptable to identify homosexuality as simply an “alternative lifestyle” or sexual orientation, logically nothing would be off limits. “Gay” advocates have taken offense at such a position insisting this would never happen. However, psychiatrists are now beginning to advocate redefining pedophilia in the same way homosexuality was redefined several years ago.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.

B4U-Act  calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people.” The organization’s website states its purpose is to, “help mental health professionals learn more about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping, stigma and fear.”

In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from  childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats. Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fl) stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law. “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule.”

The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we value one another  – whether we embrace our differences rather than allowing them to become a source of animus.”

Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”

He went on to say, “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”

When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

Dr. Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey said pedophiles’ sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

In July, 2010 Harvard health Publications said, “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.”

Linda Harvey, of Mission America, said the push for pedophiles to have equal rights will become more and more common as LGBT groups continue to assert themselves. “It’s all part of a plan to introduce sex to children at younger and younger ages; to convince them that normal friendship is actually a sexual attraction.”

Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, “Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.”

Diamond is a distinguished lecturer for the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco. The IASHS openly advocated for the repeal of the Revolutionary war ban on homosexuals serving in the military.

The IASHS lists, on its website, a list of “basic sexual rights” that includes “the right to engage in sexual acts or activities of any kind whatsoever, providing they do not involve nonconsensual acts, violence, constraint, coercion or fraud.” Another right is to, “be free of persecution, condemnation, discrimination, or societal intervention in private sexual behavior” and “the freedom of any sexual thought, fantasy or desire.” The organization also says that no one should be “disadvantaged because of  age.”

Sex offender laws protecting children have been challenged in several states including California, Georgia and Iowa. Sex offenders claim the laws prohibiting them from living near schools or parks are unfair because it penalizes them for life.


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  • Bonifide says:

    Lousy fack site. Remove comments. FAKE SITE.

  • Salvatore Mazzotta says:

    No one is EQUATING homosexuality and pedophilia. They are saying that the arguments for “gay marriage” work for adult/child sexual relationships as well. “If it makes them happy, who are we, as a society, to object?” This thinking works for promoting polygamy and beastiality as well.

  • Angie says:

    Because CHILDREN can’t emotionally make decisions like that. You are sick.

  • Dianna says:

    This is awful!!! What are you sick people trying to accomplish? What do you think your lewd choices will result in? More depravity and more harm on all those you are forcing your stupid tolerance moment on? You are void of any wisdom!!!!

  • cory says:

    thats disgusting! leave the kids alone!!!!

  • Deirdre says:

    Babylon

  • abc says:

    Get ready for inanimate objects (blow up dolls), corpses, and animals next. That’s gonna be some reception!!!

  • Thorn says:

    Homosexuals have crossed the line with wanting their perversion to be acceptable and now all the other perverts are coming out of the woodwork. How are we going to stop Pedophiles when we weren’t able to stop Homosexuals? How can you give rights to one group of perverts and not another group of perverts? I guess you people never heard of NMBLA. What’s next? Bestiality? Cannibalism?

  • AL says:

    I cannot tell you how disgusted this makes me!! I was attacked as a teenager by a repeat offender, I didn’t want it, ask for it, and I certainly didn’t enjoy it!!! These people are sick!!!!

  • Juanio says:

    Hey! sick! ASK MY FIST…

  • Chris says:

    What a bunch of sick peverts! This country is going down every day like Sodom and Gormorra went down by God’s wrath!
    This article disgust’s me and the politicians who are trying to pass a law that it’s ok to be a pedophile and anyone who agree’s with it. Pedophiles are demon possed and evil to think or have sex with children.

  • AD says:

    California & several other US states are pushing for new laws that will allow members of the opposite sex to use the restroom of the sex that they “identify” with. What happens when schools & eventually all public bathrooms are made “gender neutral?”
    A pedophile (or rapist) can enter ANY ladies restroom & when caught all he has to say are the 4 magic words, “I identify as female” & voila, he is off the hook (yes I know there are female pedophiles but the number of pedophiles are overwhelmingly male). This normalization of the abnormal & perverted is destroying our morality & our culture & putting the lives of women & children in danger. Where are those so called “protectors” of women’s rights, the feminists?
    Nary a peep out of any of them…

  • Donice says:

    I am not a homosexual, but I really would not want to be associated with a pedophiles if I were. This is a sickness that involves children. This sickness is triggered by satan. I personally HATE pedophiles.

  • Jeffrey says:

    I say it is time to do away with all of them! Those of you who want this type of society can go and give your own kids to the perverts and when your kids come out and kill you then I guess you will have gotten what you asked for! And those sickos in the White House can join you! What has this Country come to?
    This b4u-act group needs to tell homos that they should be abstinent! And who says that those who were sexually abused were not Harmed? If this passes you will see a lot of perverts being killed! Maybe not, seems the demoncrats want their kids to have sex with adults and anything else they desire! God has truly left this Country!

  • AJ says:

    Our society has disregarded the wisdom of the ages and decided that we are better and that our ancestors were wrong, in doing so a pandoras box has been opened. Why shouldn’t pedophiles be accepted if they were born that way, right? After all homosexuals we’re looked at as deviants but they can’t help it they were born that way, so we have to accept them, right? Why not accept, love can’t be bad right? WRONG! We as a society decide what is normal, homosexuals weren’t accepted as normal, but as people slowly chip away at our normal God given moral compass more and more deviant acts will be okay, why? Because the government, or our teachers, or even some of our clergy say so and if we don’t accept it we will be labeled bigots and hateful, after all who wants to not be accepted. I feel the same about all who sin, I love them as a person because they are Gods children, but I hate what they do, no matter if society is okay with the sin or not. Honestly though, you have to be blind to not have seen this coming. May God help us all.

  • snowyriver says:

    My opinion.. Pedophiles and homosexuals should have the same rights—none—

  • 10 arrows says:

    Jesus have mercy on this wicked country. Enlighten the eyes of our understanding please. *[[Rom 1:26-32]] BBE* %v 26% For this reason God gave them up to evil passions, and their women were changing the natural use into one which is unnatural: %v 27% And in the same way the men gave up the natural use of the woman and were burning in their desire for one another, men doing shame with men, and getting in their bodies the right reward of their evil-doing. %v 28% And because they had not the mind to keep God in their knowledge, God gave them up to an evil mind, to do those things which are not right; %v 29% Being full of all wrongdoing, evil, desire for the goods of others, hate, envy, putting to death, fighting, deceit, cruel ways, evil talk, and false statements about others; %v 30% Hated by God, full of pride, without respect, full of loud talk, given to evil inventions, not honouring father or mother, %v 31% Without knowledge, not true to their undertakings, unkind, having no mercy: %v 32% Who, though they have knowledge of the law of God, that the fate of those who do these things is death, not only go on doing these things themselves, but give approval to those who do them.

  • Dahlia says:

    Pedophilia is a sickness of the mind. Homosexuality is NOT. Pedophiles are imposing their disease upon children, who are certainly not mature enough at all, mentally or physically to not be traumatized. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is not hurting anyone, save for those of you who are disgusted and are actively trying to impose what you think is morally right on others. There are heterosexuals & homosexuals alike who act in a grossly innappropate manner, it’s not exclusive to any orientation to be or not be invasive and imposing. Spare me the biblical quotes, please. We have an obligation to our species to protect our children from harm, it is not an issue of religion. One does not have to be religious to practice morality. Pedophiles are predators, like rapists and compulsive murderers, and others who knowingly violate anyone on such personal level. They do not belong among those who don’t feel compelled to force their actual perverted “desires” on the innocent and unwilling. They don’t have a place, just like serial killers don’t have a place. And by place, I mean there is no use at all for them in society. It’s not an issue of discretion and taste. I’ve just put in my two cents, now the pious can judge me at will.

  • sarah says:

    ARE U FREAKIN’ KIDDING ME!? Pedophiles have been locked up for centuries, because of their abuse towards little kids!
    1! Almost every kid doesn’t want it to begin with, the only rare few that ever have were deceived, and in the end, dumped, when their body started to develop!
    2! A lot of times, rando little kids are taken from the park or a store when their mom or dad isn’t looking, and days later, they could be found completely traumatized, never being able to get over what happened to them, or dead!
    3! Studies have shown that a lot of sexual abuse during childhood could result in many mental disorders, including Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality disorder) (Kim Noble, Truddi Chase, Sybil, and Karen Overhill) and Reactive Attachment disorder ( Beth Thomas and Faith).
    Even the thought of considering the thought of allowing pedophiles to run free is really terrifying, and should never even cross a persons’ mind. Think of all the kids that would turn up missing, dead, or completely different, never the same kid again.

  • ForAmerica says:

    Why is anyone surprised? This is what opponents of gay marriage were saying would happen years ago. But those in favor of gay marriage assured us this is not where it would lead to. Part of the problem Americans have is seeing where things will lead. All this the supporters of gay marriage wanted to see happen. They have to break down society in order to get their agenda pushed through. More is to come down the road.

  • SY says:

    This is absolutely insane!who are these obscene filth trotters who want to have these laws passed… That’s why we shouldn’t follow man made law where’s the sense in that.. If we stopped and thought for a moment it would be sensible practical just… The best thing for the betterment of society as a whole to prevent all these arguments chaios and misery and follow the law of Our Creator!!!! Ever thought of that one for a change…???!!!?????!

  • voiceofreason says:

    Let’s say for a minute that there is some sense in the idea that attraction to children is a sexual orientation that deserves equal rights to other sexual orientations. It would not make the acts legal. Children cannot consent so the acts are illegal. However, perhaps we could better deal with those who are thus orientated by removing “hate” from the equation and making it more about behaviour and orientation? I just don’t think what we’re doing now is working so maybe a different approach would bring a better outcome? If the behaviour were considered wrong and illegal, (which it already is) but the person was considered a person with a different orientation, would we be better able to encourage and support proper behaviour? These people aren’t scary monsters hiding behind bushes in parks and alleyways. They are teachers and doctors and neighbours and uncles and family friends. Are they good people with a really bad behaviour?

  • ivan says:

    What these sick, perverted professors and pedophiles don’t get is that reguardless of what they say God is still judge and will condemn all sexually immoral people to hell. (Revelation 21:8) This includes homosexuals and pedophiles the same as rapists. And yes there is help. Jesus Christ can transform anyone who is willing to repent from their sins.

  • Just another Doctor says:

    Though I don’t support classifying everything as just a genetic or biological orientation. I have some experience in the subject and have long term exposure to several pedophiles. I also have worked with kids and have seen that a number of younger people fantasize about adults. At what age this is the case is different for nearly everyone. I also have met people that in their 20′s would have been classes as pedophiles and at 60 have continued to admire the same generation they were originally interested in though the objects of their desires are now middle aged as well. I also have a brother in law that seems to admire a near geriatric woman he has been working for for over a decade, and shes nothing more than a selfish woman who has been using the guys lust to her advantage without ever giving him anything sexual in return (both are content so pretty much no crime is committed and we can’t talk sense into the brother in law).

    We need to understand the difference between RAPE and consensual sex. No matter the age/gender/orientation of the participants consent is consent and rape is rape. Arguably Mexico may actually have the more realistic and even most Christian of the age of consent laws in the North American continent.

    I have been raped and as a child and I have had consenting sex when young and there is a significant difference between being forced against your will and having someone you care about and cares about you making bodies feel good. There was trauma when I was raped and this gives me a pretty accurate view of the difference. I also am not attracted to children but I understand that those who may have sex with those who are statutorily off limits are not likely doing harm unless the sex is coerced or taken by force; when the sex is forced the biggest harm is the sense of impotence of the victim is the largest contributing factor to later mental and spiritual difficulty; not the sexual intercourse.

    So we need to make it clear what is rape and what is consensual and we need to stop using arbitrary age distinctions for when ones rights are enforced. From a natural selection standpoint we are not able to challenge evolution in a single lifespan and we are not worthy to challenge God’s decree if we are religious. So… pretty much shut up and kill off those who rape unrepentantly and leave those who are attracted to each other alone and let God or evolution deal with them as long as they are happy and not being forced into something they do not want. Granted those that prey on people too immature to have the desires for sex yet are still likely to rape people but then it is clear at that point that it is rape and not just some poorly written (and likely unconstitutional) statute being a bother.

    The worst part about having been raped as a child (by a cop and his buddies in a foster home) was the shame that being a victim brought. Sometimes we label those who would consent as victims and further shame them as we rail their lover through the system and brand them for life and limit where they can live and destroy both lives in the name of protecting victims and in doing so we create victims where there was none before.

    If one of my children comes to me and tells me they are attracted to a teacher I won’t be amazed and I won’t be upset if they tell me that a teacher and them were doing stuff that would get the teacher in trouble. I too once looked at my 6th grade teacher with lust and wished she wasn’t married. If she had even offered I think half the boys would have agreed completely and the other half were still waiting for puberty to start. It would not have been rape if any of several teachers had wanted to have sex with me since I did have a number of very hot or otherwise beautiful teachers (even the one that had a kid in the same class with me). Then again I knew what sex was and knew the difference between rape and “OMG this feels good, can we please keep doing it?”.

    I am for increasing the penalty for rape back to the death penalty but I am also for changing the laws back to where pubescent teens are held accountable for their actions as well… lets face it the woman teachers doing prison time for molesting teen aged boys are doing time where there was no harm done and the boys only feel bad because they rarely want to see their adult lover so hurt for doing them a kindness and loving them when they don’t seem to have that at home. It would be different if ropes and chains were used and the child was milked while flaccid and sperm had to be forced out with a cattle prod up the rectum (yup that stuff happens and more often goes unreported because victims get abused for being victims in our society) but this is the rarity of those incarcerated and on the SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION LISTS. Most sex offenders were having consensual sex with someone that was not that far apart in age but were just under that arbitrary line for allowed consent (consent was given with out statutory permission in 99% of the cases). Close in age laws or exemptions aren’t even used in some states because most sex cases are railroaded through by public defenders on a plea bargain because the public defenders have nearly 100 more cases than they should logically be working at one time, plea bargains are easy for attorney’s and they can sell them as a cheep victory when in reality a large number of sex offender cases should have been dropped according to the statutes as written due to a number of reasons including near age exclusions. It does not help that in most cases sex offender cases are pursued like a witch hunt and that they are frequently tried under statutes that allow them to be treated as guilty until proven innocent.

    Unlikely many will read this and few more will agree with it but then none of your reactionary types take the time to look into something before you knee jerk into a slay the dragon mode upon seeing a tiger lily.

  • stevor says:

    will they move next to cemeteries next and starting robbing graves to eat the flesh of dead as “lifestyles”, too?

  • Concernedgay says:

    I’m gay and this offends me to no end! We are in no way the same! To be compared to a pervert is disgusting! This is giving the gay people who aren’t overly pushy on gay rights a bad name and I hate it. We want to be treated normal but we never will because of crap like this. It’s sickening! I love my life in the quietness that I do, I don’t flaunt it in people’s face, I don’t protest for rights; yes I think it would be nice to have my partner be able to receive my health insurance and all the same benefits as straight marriages. But I don’t go overboard. Homosexuals are nothing like these sick perverted people and to even try to compare us is so degrading but everyone has a right to their opinion I guess…this world is not my home I’m just a passing through, my treasures are laid up somewhere beyond the blue.

  • L.Kemper says:

    It doesn’t surprise me that this paper originates from Greeley CO. My husband and I had to adopt his niece and nephew in Greeley because some sick abomination was messing with them, and the mom let it happen. That place is FULL of monsters with a taste for kids. Not surprising at all.

  • berlet98 says:

    Legalizing Pedophilia

    When President Barack Hussein Obama was convinced by his wife and two daughters last May to “evolve” on the issue of legalizing homosexual marriage, something he had long opposed, he said in an interview with ABC News, “At a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.”
    Obama’s surprise “evolution” was totally unrelated to his looming and challenging election, of course, but it ignited concern among many conservatives and religious organizations. They contended that a presidential imprimatur conferred on gays who wanted to wed other gays would open the floodgates for myriad other non-traditional thinkers to demand recognition and legalization of their own non-traditional sexual inclinations and practices.

    Less than two months later, those floodgates exploded with bizarre demands from every pervert imaginable, from necrophiliacs, to bestiality practitioners, to agalmatophiliacs sexually attracted to statues, doll, mannequins, etc., to be granted legal sanction to engage in their favorite indoor and outdoor sports and join their favorite dead bodies, hamsters, and Barbie dolls in unholy matrimony.

    Not unexpectedly, by far most demands came from ardent proponents of legalizing pedophilia, such as the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), the pedophiliac-pederastic group that advocates for the abolition of consent laws that criminalize adult sexual contact with children.

    As Jack Minor wrote in the North Carolina Gazette, “Using the same tactics used by ‘gay’ rights activists, pedophiles have begun to seek similar status arguing their desire for children is a sexual orientation no different than heterosexual or homosexuals.”

    As often noted here, both the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association in 1993 yielded under extreme pressure from gay activists to remove homosexuality from their list of mental disorders. . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=34205.)

  • Logical Reasoning says:

    I felt that the response i made earlier could be expanded, so i rewrote it in this way:

    I feel something should be said in response to the comments made by Just Another Doctor. However, what I want to do is not to argue with emotion filled, angry arguments where people lose control of themselves, but with logical reasoning.

    Before I continue, there is one fact on which i agree with Just Another Doctor: there is a difference between rape and consent. That is a common misconception, although it’s usually corrected once it is pointed out. The pedophilia that is being discussed right now is that of pedophilia with consent, not pedophilic rape. Keep that in mind.

    However, the idea of pretty much legalizing Pedophilia is still wrong. Now, some people may disregard what I’m about to say, but I’ll still say it: Children cannot make that decision for themselves.

    Now, some people may say, “Children aren’t stupid. They can make their own choices about sexuality.” But the answer is actually no, they can’t.

    Let’s approach this from a purely scientific perspective. A young adult, let’s say a teenager, or teen for short, is filled with hormones due to their developing bodies and the preparation for when their bodies are fully developed. These hormones often cause them to make rash decisions. Now, please do not misunderstand me: I am not saying that all teenagers are stupid. No, I’m not even saying that teenagers in general are stupid. What I’m saying is that sometimes, due to these hormones, think that they are ready to make this decision, that they are “mature” enough for it. Even though they may not be. I think we can all agree, since we all have been teenagers at some point (and I can attest to the fact that hormones has happened to me too, as I AM a teenager), that hormones have a way of clouding a person’s judgment. The simple truth is, until they have passed this stage and are now ready for sexuality, they cannot make the choice for themselves. This is the reason we have laws regarding Pedophilia, or as the B4U-Act website calls them, “Minor-Oriented” sexuality.

    Now, let’s set this aside for a moment and regard this from a moral perspective. Is it right that people should be allowed to take advantage of children who do not know better, to pull them into sexuality before they are ready? No, it isn’t. Taking advantage of children has always been considered as morally wrong. Or, consider this: is it right to take advantage of a teen who feels that they are ready for sex, and feels that they are attracted to you, or, as Just Another Doctor put it, think that you are, “hot.” Is it right and moral to then take advantage of the hormones of that inexperienced teen and use them against him or her? No, it isn’t.

    For a long time in the society of not only America, but in all of the world, there has been a struggle with moral decisions, and what is right or wrong. Now, I believe that this morality is not to be decided by us, but by a higher moral power, but this is not the issue, not the reasoning by which I am trying to persuade you. However, allowing adults to take advantage of hormone filled teens and naive innocent children is wrong by any standards whatsoever. And as this moral battle goes on, a dangerous road is being paved. It started a few years ago, and now we are feeling the effects of it. If we allow this to happen, if we stand by and watch through allowing Pedophilia to be lawful, we send ourselves farther down the slope of depravity.

    There is another problem that I feel is at the root of this issue: deciding what is acceptable. Now, I’ve partially addressed this, but let’s really think about it: Let’s say that I am an erotophonophile, or, in other words, I am a Lust Murderer. This means that I get sexual arousal from harming others or watching other people harm others. Does this mean that I have the right to go and harm people? No, obviously not. If that’s true, then why are we even discussing pedophilia becoming lawful? Our society has become hypocritical. We say one thing is bad, yet do another. The most obvious example is erotophonophilia.

    But you might stop and think and say, “Well, erotophonophilia is obviously wrong.” This is true. Would you like another example? Well, here is one. Kleptophilia is the act of gratifying one’s self through stealing. Now, obviously people are abhorrent to the idea of erotophonophilia, but some people in the future may think Kleptophilia a “less egregious” thing to do, or that it should be lawful since it is part of ones “sexual orientation.” It sounds awfully similar to pedophilia, doesn’t it? So what is to prevent people from making that lawful? Nothing really, because what they will say is that, “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, and we cannot outlaw sexual orientations, so therefore people should be allowed to steal as long as they return the things they steal!” or something along those lines.

    Now then, while we are on this track, since all these things are becoming lawful, wouldn’t it be logical to assume that sometime in the future, if we continue on the same path as we are currently, that someday people will be able to get away with anything simply by claiming that they were doing it to gratify themselves?

    As a debater, I learned a term for this sort of path: it is c
    We now come to the final issue that I feel plagues our country: the issue of restraint. Think about it. Is giving in to your sexual desires restraint? No. Is taking advantage of America’s young adults showing restraint? No. Think of all the issues that could be solved through the simple act of restraint. This issue is one example. Abortion is another example: There would be no need for it if (in most cases) people would show restraint instead of having sex before they were ready. Another example is rape: if people had restraint, then there wouldn’t BE an issue of rape.

    The idea of pedophilia becoming legal is one that is best left as is: a condition of the mind prompting improper and illegal acts.
    We cannot allow something that allows older people to take advantage of children who do not know better and teens who cannot make sound decisions because of their hormonal responses to an older adult. We need to take a stand against the degrading morals of America and ask ourselves: Are we comfortable with the children of America, our children, able to be persuaded into something that they are not ready for? For the sake of our children and ourselves, I hope that for you, the answer is no.

  • Andrew says:

    Why would you compare homosexuals to pedophiles? It’s like comparing The Hubble telescope to Sparta or Pop-music to a hockey team. It doesn’t make sense. Enough said.

  • Dr David Chuks says:

    HOMOSEXUALS should come out and support their cousins the PEDOPHILES. After all they have gained, I expect them to support other people who are in the same position they were years ago. BUNCH OF SICK PEOPLE!

  • John says:

    Jesus is the answer. For He is the way, truth and the life.
    Not religion.

  • tony cooper says:

    They should be doused with petrol, along with any politicians or psychiatrists who promote it and set alight. Any paedophile caught abusing any child related to me wouldn’t live to see the inside of a jail cell.

  • Rylore says:

    YOU pro-gay advocates are SICK! You fail to realize that homosexuality IS exactly like pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, etc. You can deny it all you want, but you know it is true in your heart, and your conscience informs you of as much. You try and argue that a child cannot make such a decision, that they must be consenting adults. Again, YOU are SICK! Once again your argument allows for such sexually perverted consenting adult relationships as brother and sister, father and daughter, mother and son, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew, grandfather and granddaughter, grandmother and grandson, and all the gay equivalents of such. Sexual perversion is sexual perversion, and ALL sexual perversion is EXACTLY alike! Heterosexuals engage in immoral perverted behaviours, too, like wife-swapping, swingers, orgies, pornography, prostitution, webcam prostitution (if you’re showing it for money, you’re a prostitute!!!), etc. NONE of these behaviours are morally or ethically natural. Nature, science, biology, conscience, logic, common sense, AND the Bible ALL condemn homosexuality and prove it is UNNATURAL. You know it yourselves, despite your attempts at denying it. The penis was made specifically to enter the vagina, and the vagina was made specifically to receive the penis. They were made to perfectly compliment one another. The ONLY adequate, appropriate, and acceptable human relation, and the ONLY means with which to produce offspring. It CANNOT be done by people of the same sex. So, again, YOU pro-gay advocates are SICK!!! Sick in the head, sick in the heart, sick in the soul. But then, that is what sin does to people. Perverts supporting other perverts for rights they DO NOT have and have NO claim over. There is a bumper sticker that reads, “Kill Your Local Pedophile.” There could also be one that reads, “Kill Your Local Homosexual.” However, the problem with BOTH of these (and the people who think that way) is that it DOES NOT allow for the pedophiles and homosexuals to repent (hence why stoning homosexuals was done away with in the NT along with many other stoning crimes). The people who have these stickers and think that way, if YOU are without sin, then cast the first stone. Guaranteed you’re JUST AS BAD as the pedophile or homosexual. You don’t get to choose which one is worse than the other. They are all EQUALITY wicked. The liar, the thief, the adulterer, the fornicator, the rapist, the murderer, the homosexual, and the pedophile ALL need the opportunity to repent. Today is the day of salvation. Repent, or you will likewise perish.

  • Rylore says:

    Also, what makes you think that children are not able to make that kind of decision? Have you ever paid attention to children? They are not stupid. They are little people. Watch them having their conversations some time and listen to them interact with their friends. They are often more intelligent than most adults. They carry on no different than you do in your social interactions. Anyone who fails to realize this is an idiot, living in an imaginary bubble world where children aren’t very smart. The facts say otherwise.

    As for your idea that pedophilia is just wrong… Says who? Are you aware of the ages one can get married in other countries? Many of them around the age of 13, some even younger. In history, MANY would be married around 13-15 years of age. Don’t tell me they’re not capable of such decisions or living in such ways. In the past, those 13-15 year olds were more mature and capable than most 20-50 years olds I have met IN OUR DAY!!!

    You’re probably not even aware that both Judaism and Islam allow marriage to a girl who is 3 years and 1 day old. THIS I would consider pedophilia and WRONG in every sense of the word!!! But to argue that children (17 years and younger) are not capable of making such choices, your stupendous ignorance is just blinding. The fact is, certain children HAVE made that decision, and very rationally, and THEREFORE it is a CONSENTING relationship. It may not be an ADULT relationship, but it is nonetheless CONSENTING. However, CONSENTING DOES NOT EQUAL RIGHT OR NATURAL!!! What one feels, what one’s desires are, what one’s opinions are, NONE of these things determine what is true, natural, right, or acceptable.

    Someone who knows NOTHING about homosexuality and has been raised naturally without knowledge of the difference between heterosexuality and homosexuality, when they see a gay couple hold hands or kiss for the first time in their life, there is something inside of them that intrinsically and innately informs them that what they are witnessing is WRONG!!!!! They cringe inside at seeing it. Why? Because God has written it upon us. Our conscience lets us know. Logic and common sense let us know. Despite our attempts at convincing ourselves that it is okay, we know damn well that it is UNNATURAL!

    Homosexuality is EXACTLY like pedophilia because it is an aberrant sexual perversion that goes against nature. You act all offended all you want, but you know it to be true.

  • Rylore says:

    Corneredgay,

    Newsflash! You are EXACTLY the same. You’re not being compared to a pervert, you ARE a pervert! Lusting after your own kind when you were clearly created for the opposite kind. A light bulb was created to go inside a socket. A plug was designed to go inside an outlet. A bolt was designed to go inside a nut. The penis was designed perfectly to compliment and to go inside the vagina. Anything less than this is PERVERSION!

    If some people have a natural orientation toward the same sex, then so too do some people have a natural orientation toward children, beasts, etc. So too do some people have natural orientations toward rape and murder. So too do some people have natural orientations toward lying and stealing. Whether or not you have a natural orientation toward anything does not make it right or natural. You cannot argue that one is natural while the others are not, especially when conscience, logic, and common sense inform us that they are all unnatural; you know, those little things God instilled in us that inform us something is wrong regardless of our attempts at convincing ourselves otherwise.

    Furthermore, orientation has to do with direction. Directions can change. Have you ever heard someone say, “Let me get my orientation”? Or “I’m feeling disoriented”? Look the word up in any dictionary. Orientation is “a change of position, alignment, thought, inclination, or interest.”

    Homosexuals think “orientation” or sexuality is where their identity is and how they identify themselves. Their first problem is the fact they have a false definition for identity.

    IDENTITY: Sameness, as distinguished from similitude and diversity (1828 Noah Webster American Dictionary of the English Language). 2. identification or the result of it (mistaken identity; identity card); 3. the state of being the same in substance, nature, qualities, etc.; absolute sameness (Oxford Canadian Dictionary).

    IDENTIFICATION: The act of making or proving to be the same (1828 Noah Webster American Dictionary of the English Language).

    Similitude has to do with similarity, whereas diversity has to do with difference. Identity is not individuality (contrary to some additions of false definitions to modern dictionaries). Individuality and diversity are what set you apart from everyone else. Personality, character, skills, abilities have nothing to do with a person’s identity. They do not identify you. If you walk into some place and they ask who you are, telling them you are gay will not identify you; showing them a piece of your artwork will not identify you; demonstrating how fast you can run the 100m will not identify you. Your license or passport will because it proves your “sameness;” that you are the same as who you claim to be. Your identity is not found in your sexuality, which is what homosexuals attempt to do. Your sexuality has nothing to do whatsoever with your identity. Homosexuality is a sin—not a mark of identification. Homosexuals attempt to say that they do not know who they are and that they are nobody apart from their homosexual tendencies. That is the height of stupidity. If you have amnesia, being homosexual is not going to answer the question, “Who am I?”

    You can claim you’re offended all you want, but it is a FALSE offense and your feeling offended is unjustified. Feelings do not determine truth or reality, so grow up and get over it. You sound like a whiny woman, which is pretty much what ever gay guy is–a whiny woman, confused about his own gender and sexuality.

  • Safely Anonymous says:

    The thing that I have long been confused by is rather simple, and I was gladly [it's sad to say] surprised that Rylore did so in a concise and… I want to say ‘sane’, if you get my meaning. When did screaming at another person ever convince them to believe what you do? When did calling someone drastic insults [regardless of whether the derogatory terms apply or not] convince them?

    Let me show some examples of where that mindset can take a person.
    I am apparently a flaming homophobe actively campaigning to lock all homosexuals/etc up… simply because, as a freshman at college, completely broke, only having food and clothes because my parents bought them told a group campaigning to get a LGBTQetc teacher on campus [even if that teacher was completely unqualified, so long as they were either non-cis or non-hetero] that I was unable to donate. I told the group I was flat broke, and did so automatically. “People are asking me for money. What does my wallet look like? Two stamped souvenir pennies, if I remember correctly. I’m sorry, but I don’t have any money to give.” A friend of mine in the next state over is bisexual. He is still more broke than I have ever been. A similar group approached him, with a similar condemnation. He’s a homophobe because he isn’t handing over money on demand.
    I am also apparently asexual, meaning incapable of ever feeling any form of sexual attraction towards any person and/or substance ever, because I disagreed with one of my professors about his views on sex. He, in class, after the other students had left, called me over and said, “[name], do you consider yourself asexual?” THIS IS SEXUAL HARASSMENT. If it had been a hetero professor, asking such of a gay/bi/trans/etc student, it would be all over the news. But since I professed no such inclinations, obviously I am asexual. There’s so much more absolute B.S. that went on in this class, that I am surprised the campus is still in good standing. They lie and try to cover up everything unpleasant, everything that is not 100% backing up their “Being gay is okay!” standpoint… including the het-shaming that went on. “You aren’t gay? YOU SUCK.”

    Why does “But it’s an ORIENTATION” hold no ground? Morally, yes, that is one argument. But even within their own rationale it fails to hold up.
    Orientation is claimed to be genetic. So is alcoholism. Does that mean all acts committed through the disease of the mind desiring alcohol above all else is OK? What about sociopathy, defined as the inability to feel any sort of conscience, or moral ground? It has many genetic links, too. What about all the sociopaths in history, TRUE sociopaths, who care nothing for another person save for what pleasure [monetary, sexual, emotional, etc] they may provide for that sociopath, who’ve harmed others? THAT is genetic. Does that make it okay? They claim homosexuals are unable to change their orientation. The inability to change does not automatically make everything good. Homosexuality is a broad term, encompassing inclinations and activity. Using the previous example of alcoholism, a person may have the precondition of alcohol dependency. They, knowing this tendency, can then turn down alcohol. In today’s society, this is seen as a good thing. Using the example of sociopathy, a man recently discovered that he has brain formatting that is a precondition to sociopathy. He was studying brain activity, and scanned his on a lark. His matched almost exactly. When he was asked why he had not become a sociopath, he replied that it was because of the teaching his parents and family gave. He had no instinctive conscience, emotive, but had a logical conscience. He had been taught “That person is suffering. They should be helped.”
    The teaching of a child, the mindset of the society around that child, is very important. “The Sociopath Next Door”, by Martha Stout, ph.D, has much to say about how a culture’s view on a thing can shape, or even prevent, the negative conclusions of that thing.

    But wait! You’re comparing alcohol to gay sex! You’re saying all homosexuals [or pedophiles] are sociopaths! No. Homosexuals claim they were just “born that way” and that they are “unable to change”. This is true and can be seen in almost every pro-gay argument.
    “born that way” –> there are other inclinations a person may be born with. Not all [or even most] are valid or good. This is therefore an argument completely without backing.
    Unfortunately, society has equated “volume” with “accuracy of argument” and mutes logical rationale of why the views are wrong, while picking out misquotes to apply to the entire disagreeing party, also refusing to allow the showing of any negative qualities of the majority of their most vocal parties.

    Does this make me a bigot? I am a conservative Christian, and have had a very rocky time through my [still young] life. Of the people I am still in contact with, I count two as very good, if strange, friends. A Christian, friends with a Wiccan who shies away from organized religion? I do not like using people as labels, but the bisexual man I mentioned? He is the other of the two, and he is currently unsure whether or not he wishes to be called a “furry”.

    In short, disagreeing with a person, no matter how strongly, does not mean you think they are evil. The three of us have agreed to disagree, pointedly changing the subject whenever this sort of one comes up.

    I disagree with the homosexual viewpoint, and note that one of the central arguments as to why it should be allowed is inherently flawed. I also note that never did I give a negative slant on the person, merely the activity. As a Christian, I adopt the practice of “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Is that not what Jesus himself did? He ate with some of the most despicable people of the time, including tax collectors and prostitutes. Through his compassionate ministry, he led them out of their sin.

  • shary says:

    What has this world come to. Children are not mature enough to consent to sex. If so, they wouldnt need parental guidance. If you ask a child if they rather have candy and toys over a healthy three course meal, what do you think theyll choose?i have children, and nephews. So what makes these politicians,and professors think pedophils have the right to seduce and have sex with a child. It’s sick!!! And they know it. We cant just act upon our desires and think it’s right. We, the parents with morals, lets keep a close eye on our children because we are the ones that really do love them and want the best for them.We are the majority. Would there still be politicians, professors, government without civilians and people to put upon rules and regulations, of course not!! We the people, parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts foster parents, etc. we are the majority and we want are children away from these sickning laws. We decide so lets stand together and fight for what we feel is right and safe for our children. Lets pray together and not argue of it. But stand to keep are innocent children safe from these pedophils . If it’s not considered an illness anymore by some doctors than that’s their business and conscious let them feed thier own children to these sickos, lets see if they’ll be mentally healthy when they grow into adulthood. But our children, and family you dont mess with because we have the right over them, and is our duty to raise them safe and away from such sick acts. God have mercy! God keep our children safe and if you don’t believe in God, wherever you believe in just keep you child safe.

  • Geoffrey says:

    To me there is one overwhelmingly obvious thing that no one is noticing here: this is about what is allowable, what freedoms should be allowed, and how people express their sexuality. Morality in large part exists to create clear lines to manage our propensity towards lawlessness. Take note: as Americans we believe we have an inalienable right to DO WHAT WE WANT. However, history clearly shows that any society that removes moral paradigms en masse will become unmanageable. You cannot have a society that simply does what it wants without boundaries. If you do, you will be overrun by your neighbors who have clear lines and morals, even evil or bad ones. Communist China may control their populace in terribly restrictive and stifling ways, but once they began to open up they are now experiencing the price of allowing more freedom. Naturally I am not supporting totalitarian government; I am pointing out that morality drives laws, laws should provide safety, and it is simply nonsense to expect htm at anything does in sexual matters. Where the line is is the question we are discussing. The pedophile question is obvious: you simply don’t get to express your sexuality any way you want, and all the aberrations of the human sexual drive are not equal to permission to express those desires. Whatever happened to simply not engaging in sexual activity? No one talks about that – we treat the right to experience an orgasm and intimacy as so fundamental that it goes without question that it must be expressed. The only question is which ways are ok. It is actually ok not to have orgasmic intimacy. Dear America: your sexual capacity is not your right to express anywhere and however you want. You can actually NOT express it. If we can settle that reality then we can start to develop a moral framework for when expressing it is ok. To develop a moral framework requires analyzing fundamental assumptions, such as this one. It is not your right to use another human being in whatever state they are, adult, dead, child, same sex, opposite sex, to express your sexual desires under the following circumstances. Of course, that’s where we will begin to disagree quickly. But you don’t HAVE to express sexual things. The only thing you might be able to say is, based on atheistic evolutionism and biological determinism, that every human has the right to pass on their genetic blueprint. If we used that point of view we wouldn’t be discussing these other things. Only heterosexuals can procreate, unless we manipulate the process through artificial means. In any case, the first thing to determine to develop a morality about sexuality is does everyone have a fundamental right to have orgasmic relations? If yes, then we have to figure out when that is predatory or otherwise non-consensual. If not, then we must look elsewhere to begin developing the morality. The fundamental rights of any human being must be clarified before you can decide if certain behaviors must be allowed. It simply isn’t all allowable, folks. Do you have a real philosophy of human rights based in logic and substantive thinking, or are you simply buying the intoxicating idea that “I can do what the hell I want?”Follow your ideas to their roots. That last mantra is the curse of human kind. Selfishness is the root of most things. I for one am simply unwilling to make “I can do what the hell I want” my justification, in my case, for having sex with every woman I find attractive. I am physically driven to do it, I am physically capable of it, and many women might oblige. But is that my right to do so?

  • George Montague says:

    14th July 2014

    Homosexuality has nothing what so ever to do with Paedophilia

    At the age of 57 as a senior commissioner in the Scout Asso. Responsible for special out door camping for Scouts with a sever physical handicap in six counties in the south I was, convicted of Gross Indecency as were very many in those days. A very young enthusiastically Homophobic Policeman lied in court. Predictably it was assumed I was a Paedophile. I was dishonourably discharged from the movement I loved, man and boy for 50 years.

    Anyone young male who finds he has sexual attraction for another male is like his contemporaries of the opposite sex, he looks for someone the same age or more likely a little older, an adult, fully grown and fully developed , as he gets much older just like every other male he will look for someone younger.

    The only similarity between a gay man and a Paedophile is that they are both born that way and will never be able to change. A gay man does no harm, a Paedophile does irreparable damage.

    The Media is full of the prevalence of sexual child abuse I think there must be almost as many Paedophiles as there are Homosexuals. As a 91 year old gay man who has, as you see had a difficult life, I look forward to the “boffins” discovering why |I am gay, they have been trying for years with Identical twins one gay one not. They found nothing, I do not like the word straight, it implies I am bent.

    omophobia is still rife amongst OAPs, some workplaces, & there is Homophobic bullying at schools. If I were asked to give a short talk at a School assembly, which I would be pleased to do if asked, the first thing I would ask “ Put your hands up all those who are left handed” may be as many as half a dozen would do so. I would then tell them, just like me being the way I am, we did not choose to be different and we are now advised that nothing should be done to try to CURE US”.A bully is a horrible person with a problem, a coward always picking on the weak and shorter ones.

    Having been married, (it was expected), living a lie, three children three grandchildren, Wife died 15 years ago. I am now in a 17 year long relationship with my Civil Partner. Somchai, I am now the luckiest, happiest old gay man alive. I am “THE OLDEST GAY IN THE VILLAGE”. Please don’t call me a Paedophile.

    I have long since stopped asking people to understand, not understanding my self, I say please ACCEPT. Homosexuality.

    George Montague

    If you want to know more about me and those like me, read my book,on sale now, The Oldest Gay in The Village

  • labman57 says:

    The intentional grouping of homosexuality and gay marriage with prostitution, polygamy, bestiality, pedophilia … even murder … is simply further evidence that the Republican Party is still laden with sanctimonious, socially-regressive bigots who wish to impose their own religious mores onto the rest of society.

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