Lakin trial did not resolve original issue

Greeley Gazette editorial

Last week a local Greeley resident whose family has longstanding ties to the community was convicted of disobeying orders after trying unsuccessfully for over a year to get satisfactory answers to a simple question. Then attacked in a Greeley Tribune editorial as if Lakin were a two-headed monster; not a right-leaning local boy…did we mention right-leaning?

The question is one that every citizen should have the right to have answered, but especially members of our armed forces who place themselves in harm’s way to protect us.

Lt. Col. Lakin was sentenced to discharge from the Army, forfeiture of all pay allowances including retirement and six months confinement at Ft. Leavenworth. At present it remains to be seen if the base commander MGen Horst will reduce or commute his sentence.

Critics of Lakin say his conviction settles once and for all questions regarding the President’s eligibility. No less than Maureen Dowd, columnist for the New York Times, officially pronounced the issue dead based on the  guilty plea. The sad reality of the case is that while Lakin suffers confinement, the issue is still unresolved by either side, thanks to the judge’s ruling.

When Judge Dense Lind ruled that Lakin would not be permitted discovery of documents or witnesses regarding Obama’s eligibility, she ensured the issue would remain unsettled. Many, including Lakin’s attorney, have said that her ruling was correct insomuch as it is irrelevant that Lakin did disobey orders. However, saying they are irrelevant to those charges is not the same as ruling that Obama is in fact eligible.

The vast multitudes of lawsuits that have been filed have been dismissed on technical issues such as “standing” claiming the American people have no fundamental right to challenge a sitting President’s status because they are not harmed by his actions. Other rulings have pointed the finger at others regarding the eligibility issue. Courts have ruled it is Congress or the electors responsibility to vet a candidate while Congress has said it is either the courts or individual party’s responsibility. In fact, a Congressional report was released admitting there is currently no requirement for any agency to properly verify the constitutional eligibility of any presidential candidate.

That is a long cry from a definitive ruling on Obama’s eligibility; it is simply passing the buck. Black pastor James Manning, who was present at the trial, said “the American people are wondering why this is still an issue after two years.” He is absolutely correct. The longer it goes on with Obama refusing to release his long form birth certificate featuring the doctor’s signature and hospital where he was born citizens should be suspicious. The former Hawaiian director of Public Health assured us that such a document exists, we at The Gazette would ask to trot that document out then. What? …Silence? Strange.

At that time, only two years after Hawaii became the 50th state, Hawaii allowed foreign born children to have their births registered. Additionally, the state of Hawaii has never verified the authenticity of the several certifications of live birth forms presented by the campaign and circulating on the Internet, a fact that even critics of “birthers” have admitted.

Today, a good man sits in prison for asking a question of his superiors and being rebuffed. It was telling that everyone sitting on the court martial board agreed that it was an important and basic right for military men to have questions answered.

Sadly the issue will never be resolved satisfactorily until one particular branch of government or agency will step up to the plate and take responsibility for this issue. It is a shame because the issue could be resolved so quickly by simply producing a piece of paper. When even a CNN poll (left) reveals that only 42 percent of the American people definitely believe Obama was born in this country we have a serious problem especially when all of the major media including Fox have done everything to say there is no issue.

The timing of the trial which was pushed back more than once to coincide with right before Christmas makes the message loud and clear to the common soldier, Obama’s eligibility is never to be questioned. With a military engaged in multiple wars it is vital they be able to have the utmost confidence in their commander-in-chief. Lakin stated his questions were never answered. If he is going to do time in prison, we believe he at least deserves to have an answer to his question.

Courts ruling that citizens have no right to know if their president is constitutionally qualified is simply treasonous; and citizens can no longer hold our government accountable. Our founding fathers have written this would happen, immediately followed by the country suffering a mortal, self-inflicted wound. “There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” — John Adams, 1814.


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  • Eldon E. Bell, M.D. says:

    ‘THE CONSTITUTION MATTERS”

    Following retirement from the Presidency George Washington warned that it was very important not to violate the Constitution. Even a small evasion will be the work of those who have a specific agenda other than enhancing the freedoms of our citizens. Requiring that only a Natural Born Citizen be eligible to the Presidency was a strong recommendation adopted upon the recommendation of John Jay, who became our first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. When first elected governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger was asked if he would be running for President of the United States. His answer: “Amend the Constitution, because I was born in Austria”. We now have a USURPER, Barry Soetoro aka Barrack Obama, sitting in our White House. Else why would Obama imprison a decorated war hero with an unblemished 17+ year military record who only asked that he prove to the military that indeed he is eligible to be POTUS? Obama is guilty of Treason unless he can prove that he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

  • Arthur B. says:

    “However, saying they are irrelevant to those charges is not the same as ruling that Obama is in fact eligible.”

    That is absolutely correct. The court-martial took no position on the President’s eligibility. It was not permitted by law to do so — that’s what Judge Lind said in her ruling, about which Mr. Puckett said, “She was right on the facts and right on the law.”

    So I am not sure what your gripe is. You can wish that an eligibility determination had been made at the court-martial, but no sane legal observer thought for a moment that it would or that it even could. That notion is completely alien to the Constitution and to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Lakin’s belief in the likelihood of that outcome makes him a deluded fool; refusing to obey his orders makes him a criminal. Your lame attempt to make him sound like a hero falls very flat.

    “Hawaii allowed foreign born children to have their births registered.”

    Now what on earth does that mean? Is it supposed to suggest that people born out of the country could get official state documents saying they were born in Honolulu? You are being very deceptive here.

    “The timing of the trial which was pushed back more than once to coincide with right before Christmas makes the message loud and clear to the common soldier.”

    Jack, here you’re just being silly. The trial was delayed twice, both times at the request of Lakin’s attorneys, most recently because Mr. Puckett was already handling a high-profile case whose dates conflicted with the November trial dates set aside for Lakin. By trying to score points with these lame untruths, you reinforce the impression that you are at a loss to come up with legitimate complaints about the proceeding. It sounds like you simply weren’t pleased with the results.

  • The simple truth is we have NEVER had a President about whom so little is known. And the thing that would forever lay this to rest is the production of a document, typed, with ink and fiber content verified by the FBI as consistent with other Hawaiian birth certificates of the same age–it will NEVER happen. If it could have it would have. The one that pitifully circulates on the internet–if you read the fine print–actually says “laser printed”. There is a tradition in America going back to Henry David Thoreau of it being the honest citizen’s duty to not obey an unjust law–most go forward like sheep–but some have more character than that. There is law aplenty that obeying orders is not just reason for all actions on the part of a soldier–where that line falls is a reasonable topic of debate. In any event Obama has no intention of laying it to rest–and Lakin’s plea is nothing more than perceiving that the deck was hopelessly stacked against him, and cutting his losses as best he could.

  • dancingrabbit says:

    It matters not where Obama was born he can never be a natural born citizen based on the citizenship of his father.

    Two citizen parents and born on US soil make a natural born citizen. The birth certificate fuss is a ruse.

    Ltc Lakin is aka obama’s first political prisoner..how many more will there be?

  • Great article.
    Help free LTC Lakin and defend the US Constitution.
    Merry Christmas.
    God Bless.
    Wells

  • Mary Adams says:

    Lakin got his questions answered. He just didn’t like the answers he got. He shafted his unit and caused another MD to serve in his place on short notice and without all of the training needed, which jeopardized our troops.

    Hawaii officials HAVE verified that President Obama’s BC is valid. Several times.

    The BC he has released has everything on it necessary go prove date and place of birth. Hospital and MD signature are superfluous.

    It is a LIE that the state of Hawaii ever issued BCs to foreign-born persons stating Hawaii as the place of birth.

    In 1982 a statute was added that allowed the issuance of BCs to foreign-born persons, but they clearly state the actual place of birth. Many states do this in order for people (mostly adoptees) to have an official document in English.

    The plain fact is that President Obama was born in the US, is over 35 years old and such is eligible for the office he occupies. Those who still have “questions” will never believe any answers they get. They don’t want to.

  • sally says:

    It is treasonous and psychotic to carry this on.
    There is NO Kenya birth certificate.

    Courts have refused to hear these psychotic demands from the birthers.

    Lakin should have gotten the firing squad for being felony stupid and
    felony racist.

    If Lakin and the birthers won’t accept the Hawaiian officials verification
    that Obama was born in Hawaii, they are maliciously squandering taxpayers
    money in pursuing their HATRED of blacks thru our court system.

    The new governor of Hawaii said he will make dispelling this lie about Obama
    a top priority. It is degrading to all Hawaiians that their government isn’t believed.
    Obama WAS born in Hawaii and the incoming Governor of HA went to school with
    Obama’s parents. It is unsettling to see the psychotics unite in hatred against
    Obama. They are the American Terrorists, trying to undermine or government.

  • sally says:

    Stanley’s request show how psychotic and implacable the birthers are.

    Viva Obama!!

  • sally says:

    Eldon Bell .. what if whole battalions refused their orders?
    If Lakin has a problem with the president’s birth certificate that Hawaii officials have verified,
    perhaps the man is nuts. None of you birthers acknowledge what is known to the world. You
    live in your own world of twisted hate. I’m surprised at how IGNORANT you are of the facts.

    See LCol Lakin get millions of dollars thrown at him to continue his stupid American Terrorist
    activity of undermining our government via the office of presidency. Follow the money. It’s all
    about money. Being unAmerican is the latest way to become a millionaire. Ask Rush Limbaugh,
    the ultimate hatemonger. But, he won’t side with the birthers. Finally he found something that is
    beneath him. Oreilly won’t side with them either. Psychotics have mental issues that they obsess on, and they hate Obama so much that they faked a birth certificate from Kenya. Show me a REAL Kenya birth certificate and maybe I could get behind your movement. But for now, you are just denying what the Hawaii officials have verified and denying the birth announcements the Hawaiian newspapers published in 1961. Birthers have a mental illness. It goes beyond hate. They entered a fantasy world where they make up things like “both parents have to be natural born” to be a citizen. Well, tell that to the illegal aliens who have babies here that are citizens.

  • Long before Col Lakin there was another Colonel named Washington who said “Enough is enough” and followed his heart. I never thought I would see America at a point where a revolution” was a reasonable course of acton–but we are headed there–and “won’t (because he CAN’T) Obama”–and the “Steal everything not nailed down” Republicans that opened the door for him are our problem. America has huge problems–and the government perceives “Make the Rich Richer” to be our number one goal–it HAS to change.

  • Terry says:

    So every soldier who has followed an order since Jan 20, 2009, is a traitor too, since they are following orders from someone who is not legally authorized to give orders.

    Each and every soldier in our armed forces should stand trial fro treason. Maybe Rev. Phelps from the Westboro club in Topeka could lead the parade1

  • Firefey says:

    Of course, deploying to Afghanastan was the only order Lakin decided to refuse in this quest of his.
    I guess all the other orders were somehow under another President.

    This article does not mention that both Lakin and his second attorney both acknowledged the orders he refused to obey were legal, that Lakin was led astray by those who did not have his interests at heart, and that it was a mistake.

    Active duty military do not have the luxury of abusing the system to make political statements.

  • Your editorial would suggest that all 309 million Americans have the individual right to drag their President into court to answer every rumor and crank theory that might come into their minds. That is patently absurd.

    President Obama released his official birth certificate in 2008 and the Hawaii Department of Health released a statement verifying that he was born in Hawaii. Lakin’s former defense counsel lied when he waived a piece of paper on CNN saying that anyone could get a Hawaiian birth certificate, citing a law that was not passed until 21 years after Obama’s birth was registered (and which does not provide for providing a false place of birth on the out of state certificate in any case).

    Lakin may have had good intentions, but he was very stupid in choosing to believe conspiracy theorists and cranks over hard facts. His questions were answered by Congress the day they unanimously certified the 2008 election. That is how it works under our Constitution.

  • Horus says:

    What a bunch of morons!

    You claim that you know nothing about Obama, well you have to look before you claim you have nothing.

    His Birth Certificate online is valid for ANY purpose that requires proof of birth, ie passports, drivers license, you name it!

    You just REFUSE to accept that a Black man was elected President, you refuse to accept him as your President and you refuse to accept ANY proof provided by him whatsoever!

    MORONS!

  • Morris Baltimore says:

    I am in awe — news media other than those owned by Rupert Murdoch still push the birther conspiracy theory! I live in the solidly Republican Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay and our newspapers won’t publish pundits who spout the silly conspiracy theories surrounding President Obama. You folks in Greeley must be so proud.

  • HistorianDude says:

    Lakin’s court martial resolved the only issue it was called to resolve; what would be the response of the US Military to a disloyal and disobedient officer’s refusal to do his duty.

    Justice has been served.

  • James says:

    Doc,

    Obama DID NOT release his birth certificate showing the hospital and the doctor’s name, only the COLB. Although Hawaii DOH claimed he was born in Hawaii, they have never revealed on one shred of evidence that he was.

    Obama release the long–form Bc showing the hospital and the doctor. It’s that simple.

  • Black Lion says:

    Unbelievable. Everyone forgets that Lakin was told numerous times that the order to deploy was a legitimate order. He was warned against taking such a foolish action by other attorneys. Yet he ignored all of the sane advice he recieved and decided to listen to the birther cranks. By doing that he got what he deserved. Pretending that Lakin is a hero is an insult and a slap in the face of every soldier serving the US right now who are obeying orders. This article implies that these fine men and women are traitors by doing their duty and following the orders of their superiors. And no one acknowledges the 2 doctors that had to give up time with their families and deploy when Lakin deserted his unit by refusing to show up to Ft. Campbell. The men and women serving their country right now are the real heros. Not a guy like Lakin, who had no problem collecting his checks and giving orders for months after President Obama was sworn in as President, yet had an issue obeying orders once he was ordered to deploy. The Army was right in punishing Lakin for such a cowardly act. However it won’t deter the birthers and their insane journey to undo an election and somehow go against the will of the 69 million Americans that voted for President Obama. And as for the so called BC, when the birthers can produce a BC for GW Bush, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, or Ronnie Reagan, then they might have something. But until then requiring additional documentation of Obama is ridiculous….

  • James says:

    Obama has not produced anything but an online IMAGE of his COLB which not his Birth certificate and does not show the name of the hospital and the attending doctor. The COLB has also been proven to be a forgery.

    Jensen is partially correct in citing the law that allows foreign born babies to get birth certificate. While the law he cites was created 21 years later, in 1961 is was very easy for anyone to register their baby as being born in Hawaii while they were actually born somewhere else.

    Congress never addressed the issue and Lakin’s questions were never answered.

    To this day we don’t know if Obama is in fact eligible to be the POTUS. The election, electoral college and Congress cannot substitute the Constitutional requirements to be the POTUS.

    Apparently, Obots want us to believe that a single government appointed beurocrat in Hawaii holds the title as being the ONLY person to know that Obama was actually born in Hawaii but refuses to present a single shred of information to submit her claim.

  • James says:

    It seems this issue is getting to Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie; http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/25/us/25hawaii.html?_r=1&src=mv&ref=us

    Governor Abercrombie wants to take steps to bring this matter to rest by releasing additional information about Obama’s Hawaiian birth.

    This issue is getting good media coverage.

    I immediately notice that Governor Abercrombie is yet another individual who refuses to acknowledge the existance of a long-form birth certificate for Obama even though birthers bring it up.

    I noticed that immediately.

    Robert Gibbs, David Axlerod, and even Barack Obama have all refused to acknowledge the existance of the long form birth certificate showing the hospital name and the attending doctor.

    There can only be one conclusion…..

    Obama has no long-form BC because he wasn’t born in a hospital.

    There is a chance Obama may have been born in Hawaii but it almost certain that he WASN”T born in a hospital in Hawaii

  • James says:

    Lt. Col. Terry Lakin Court Martial : Eyewitness Speaks Out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBNwwSiZU0Q

  • James says:

    Please support and help LTC Terry Lakin for speaking out for the truth and for the protection of our constitution.
    http://www.terrylakinactionfund.com/

  • Steve says:

    James,
    Do you know of anyone else (other than Obama) who was born outside of Hawaii and has a COLB saying they were born in Hawaii?

  • The Magic M says:

    > Obama has not produced anything but an online IMAGE of his COLB

    That is absurd. Of course he produced his COLB. What you, personally, have seen is the online image, just like going to whitehouse.gov will show you an online image of the White House. Your claim is that since it is only an “online image”, there is no proof there is a real White House standing in Washington? Talk about confirmation bias and denial of facts…

    The actual COLB (not an “online image”) was provided to anyone who wanted to see it; funny only two online magazines took up that offer, with factcheck.org actually documenting its authenticity. You birthers did not wish to see it, it seems.

    Besides, the Hawaiian authorities have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. If you choose to disbelieve that, fine, but that doesn’t give a soldier the right to disobey orders.

  • Hoosier says:

    §338-12 Evidentiary character of certificates. Certificates filed within thirty days after the time prescribed therefore[sic] shall be prima facie evidence of the facts therein stated.

    A COLB is not a filed certificate. Therefore it IS NOT prima facie evidence by means of 338-12.

    §338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

    (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

    338-16 and 338-17 deal with delayed or altered birth records; therefore N/A. 338-18 was amended in 2001 and no longer provides any additional requirements that could make the COLB prima facie evidence. Nothing in part (c) authorizes the copy to be an abstract.

    —BTW; who, but the DOH, determined that a COLB is prima facie evidence, and under what statute was the DOH permitted to designate the abstract to be considered prima facie evidence? From what I can find, designation of the COLB as prima facie evidence would be an ultra vires exercise of authority by the DOH.

    Dr. Con doesn’t understand that the territorial laws of Hawaii remained in effect until superceded. Under those territorial laws, a family member, or any adult willing to state that they witnessed the birth, could have filed Obama’s birth report.

    As Governor-elect Abercrombie recently stated; “why not just simply try to authenticate this and let the facts speak for themselves?”

  • Arthur B. says:

    @Hoosier — “A COLB is not a filed certificate. Therefore it IS NOT prima facie evidence by means of 338-12.”
    __

    On the face of the COLB it says that it is prima facie evidence. How are you planning to get around that?

  • Hoosier says:

    Arthur B.,

    “On the face of the COLB it says that it is prima facie evidence. How are you planning to get around that?”

    Who decided to put that statement on the front of the COLB? It’s not there by statute. It’s there because the DOH decided to put it there. If the DOH doesn’t have the authority to make such a declaration, it is ultra vires, which would make the declaration meaningless.

    There is no Hawaiian Statute which would permit the DOH to create an abstract and then declare it to be prima facie evidence of the whole. Only a complete certified copy of the original birth certificate, duplicated by various means, is, by statute, prima facie evidence.

  • Arthur B. says:

    @Hoosier — “There is no Hawaiian Statute which would permit the DOH to create an abstract and then declare it to be prima facie evidence of the whole.”
    __

    …of the whole“?? What on earth are you talking about? It is not claiming to be prima facie evidence of anything but the information it contains. And, as an official state document with a signature stamp and a seal, prima facie evidence is exactly what it is.

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ James

    Obama DID NOT release his birth certificate showing the hospital and the doctor’s name, only the COLB.

    And since there is no eligibility requirement in the Constitution that presidents be born in a hospital (a very good thing, since 41 out of 44 have not been so born) your point here is what exactly?

    You don’t get to move the goalposts. The legal standard for proof of citizenship at birth has been outlined by State Department Regulation for more than 145 years. The requirements are these:

    7 FAM 1119 PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH IN THE UNITED STATES
    (TL:CON-64; 11-30-95)

    a. To establish a claim to U.S. citizenship by birth in the United States:

    A person born in the United States in a place where official records of birth were kept at the time of his birth shall submit with the application for a passport a birth certificate under the seal of the official custodian of records. [22 CFR 51.43.]

    b. The birth certificate must:

    (1) Show the applicant’s full name, and date and place of birth;
    (2) Have a filing date within 1 year of the birth; and
    (3) Bear the signature of the official custodian of birth records and the raised,
    impressed, or multicolored seal of the issuing office.

    You will note that President Obama’s COLB actually exceeds those requirements

    Although Hawaii DOH claimed he was born in Hawaii, they have never revealed on one shred of evidence that he was.

    I refer you to the back of the COLB where the Hawaii DOH certifies and seals it. That is, under US law the most official and formal “evidence” that the DOH can even begin to offer for his Hawaiian birth.

  • HistorianDude says:

    Typo… 145 years should be 15 years. Fat fingers!!!

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ James

    Obama has not produced anything but an online IMAGE of his COLB which not his Birth certificate and does not show the name of the hospital and the attending doctor. The COLB has also been proven to be a forgery.

    1. It is a lie that the COLB is a forgery. Certainly, no Birther (to include the fraudulent and unqualified “Polarik”) has produced actual evidence to support that claim. Had there been any such evidence, then this would have been a straightforward criminal rather than civil issue, and the hurdle of standing completely bypassed.

    2. That is how you “release” a birth certificate. Not by sending a certified copy to millions of people, but releasing the document to one or two media sources who then post images in newspapers, magazines or the Internet.

    While the law he cites was created 21 years later, in 1961 is was very easy for anyone to register their baby as being born in Hawaii while they were actually born somewhere else.

    Birthers keep saying that. Show me one example of a person registering their baby as being born in Hawaii while they were born somewhere else. Just one.

    And please, don’t pretend Sun Yat-sen is an example, since he was not a baby, his “birth certificate” was not issued by the State of Hawaii, it was issued long before 1961, and it does not meet the State Department qualifications for proof of citizenship anyway.

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ Hoosier

    Who decided to put that statement on the front of the COLB? It’s not there by statute. It’s there because the DOH decided to put it there. If the DOH doesn’t have the authority to make such a declaration, it is ultra vires, which would make the declaration meaningless.

    Then it’s a very good thing that the DOH has that authority. You even quoted the relevant law:

    §338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

    (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

    (c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]

    There is no Hawaiian Statute which would permit the DOH to create an abstract and then declare it to be prima facie evidence of the whole.

    What part of “or any part thereof” do you not understand?

    Only a complete certified copy of the original birth certificate, duplicated by various means, is, by statute, prima facie evidence.

    Now you’re just making stuff up. The word “complete” can be found nowhere in the relevant statute.

  • Steve says:

    Hoosier, you’re splitting hairs.

  • jack johnson says:

    Good thing McCain wasnt elected since he was not born in the US. He was born in the panama canal zone so he would have been ineligible to president.

  • Kevin says:

    Sally you are hateful of the birthers why? because they seek logical answers too complex for you to comprehend? Hawaii issued a COLB which ANYONE can get…So that is not proof of jack squat. The horrible birthers are asking for proof. How does this make a birther racist???How is a black birther racist? Birthers just want answers, it’s not like they are wearing sheets and trying to burn crosses in the front lawn of the white house. Which I don’t think is such a bad idea, not because the president is black but because he has done nothing but lied to us only to obtain votes and then jail anyone that doesn’t follow his line…You really need to rethink your statements before typing something so stupid…

  • Steve says:

    Kevin,
    Do you know of anyone who was not born in Hawaii who has a COLB saying he or she was born in Hawaii?
    If anyone can get one, why don’t you try it and let me know how it goes.
    I’m not going to say birthers are racist, but why hasn’t anyone asked to see any other President’s long form birth certificate? And what do all of those Presidents have in common?

  • Arthur B. says:

    @Kevin — “Hawaii issued a COLB which ANYONE can get.”
    __

    That’s simply a lie. You cannot get a COLB stating that you were born in Honolulu unless you were born in Honolulu.

    Care to show us any examples of a State of Hawaii COLB that falsely states that someone was born in Hawaii?

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