Lakin’s conviction has awakened sleeping giant in Obama’s eligibility

Lt. Col. Lakin and his wife Pili

By Jack Minor

If the Obama administration hoped the court-martial of Greeley resident Lt. Col. Terry Lakin would put the eligibility issue to rest once and for all, their hopes appear to have been in vain. The eligibility issue looks as if it’s gaining traction with prominent liberals and Democrats now calling for the President to release his birth certificate.

During the trial, Lakin was not allowed to present witnesses or documents related to the President’s eligibility to be Commander-in-Chief under article II of the Constitution. Following his conviction, Lakin was sentenced to six months in Ft. Leavenworth. The sentence has yet to be approved by the commanding general, MGen Horst, who has the ability to reduce or commute the sentence.

In the days following the conviction, liberal commentator Chris Matthews, who has said for months that the President has released his birth certificate and that he has personally seen the document, has now done an about-face. Appearing with David Corn from Mother Jones and Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune, Matthews showed a copy of a long form and asked, “Why has the President not demanded they release the original documents”? He went on to say he was an “enemy of the birthers.”

Incoming Democratic Hawaii Governor, Neil Abercrombie, who was listed as a member of Democratic Socialists of America in their literature, conducted multiple interviews saying it was his desire to be able to release more information regarding the President’s birth. He experienced anger at those who have expressed skepticism over the certification of live birth posted online which the state of Hawaii has never confirmed as authentic. He even said, “I was here when that baby was born.”

Abercrombie told the Star Advertiser that he was talking with the state attorney general’s office and the director of the Health Department to see how he could release information about Obama’s birth.

In an interview with Steve Malzberg on Dec. 30, Jeff Kuhner of the Washington Times said, “People around the White House, Democratic circles, and the liberal media – including top senior editors — all know there’s something there about Obama’s birth eligibility but are afraid to pursue the matter…the implications are that if this story turns out to be true, we fear it could be a civil war within America…”

Supporters of Lt. Col. Lakin have set up a fund at www.terrylakinactionfund.com where people can make donations to help Lakin and his family. Another website, www.opinionsandarmpits.com, has begun selling t-shirts and mugs saying things such as “all he wanted was the truth, instead he got prison” with all profits going to support Lakin.

Those wishing to write Terry can do so by sending a letter to:

Terrance Lakin #89996

830 Sabalu Road

Fort Leavenworth, KS 66027

When writing, do not include rank or title on the address. Lakin can only receive letters, greeting cards and post office money orders. Do not send any packages, food, magazines etc.

According to his wife Pili, Lakin is in good spirits and doing well. In a letter from prison Lakin wrote, “The thing is for the work to carry-on so we never have this situation again.”

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179 Responses to Lakin’s conviction has awakened sleeping giant in Obama’s eligibility

  1. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayne Doak

    What independently verified and vetted source can you provide for ANY of the claims you make here?

    This question captures in a nutshell the intellectual bankruptcy and intense hypocrisy of the Birther movement. Confronted with the simple facts that most of their “questions” are easily and long answered, their sole fallback is a frantic moving of the goal posts. The sources for all this information is as good as or better than the corresponding information for every other President. And all my sources do something that no Birther accusation or speculation can currently accomplish; pass the hurdles of court admissibility as defined by the Federal Rules of Evidence.

    “Independently verified and vetted” is not a legal standard anywhere on the planet. It exists solely in the political prejudice of Birther fantasies. The actual standards (for a civil action as all Birther efforts inexplicably have been) is “preponderance of evidence.” And the superiority of my position rests not merely on the fact that I have on my side the preponderance of evidence, but in the fact that the Birther side has exactly no evidence at all.

    That said… yes Thayne. I have what reasonable people (I of course exclude Birthers from that group) would consider independently verified and vetted sources. For just one example… Kapiolani Medical Center as his birthplace has been verified by the Republican former Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle. Governors are generally considered pretty good (and well vetted) sources… especially when they are from the opposing party.

    Now… back to your embarrassing recitation of Birth lies that never die….

    Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama has spent upwards of $2 million in legal fees, and spent untold amounts of taxpayer money, concealing and suppressing-using the almost infinite resources of the American government, with its immense power- the American public access to his records DATING BACK TO KINDERGARTEN.

    Of course this is a complete Birther fabrication, ironic considering your previous protests regarding sources that were independently vetted and verified. You have repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to promote the most specious of Birther falsehoods… and here is another of them. You are apparently a parrot, not a inquisitor.

    Of the 73 Birther lawsuits that have been filed, only three required Obama to pay a penny in legal fees since most did not even include him as a defendant. All three of them were dismissed before going to trial, requiring a grand total of less than 120 pages of work by his lawyers. I know of no lawyers that charge $16,000 a page for their work. In point of fact, Obama has spent certainly less than $20 K for all the work defending against frivolous Birther lawsuits. Orly Taitz got sanctioned that much for such frivolity.

    Cases filed against him as President are defended by Department of Justice lawyers. As they are salaried, they get paid the same regardless of whether they are defending against frivolous Birther suits or making paper-clip chains at their desks. If you are still offended by that, I will merely point out that you should complain to your Birther brethren. Obama has never once sued himself.

    And Kindergarten records? Seriously? Ignoring that such records do not cost a penny to protect as there already are laws on the books that do that, you are looking for what?

    Socialist tendencies in his finger painting?

    Say Historian Dude, what are your thoughts on a new bill that will be introduced (wait for it) in the Hawaii State Legislature, removing the “tangible interest” clause from the state law governing the release of personal health records by at least 10 Democrat assembly men and women, thus effectively taking Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama out of the loop- and out of his hands-making his long-form birth certificate available to the public for a fee of $100?

    I’m all for it. It is important for the protection of the Office of the Presidency that Obama not be the one to give permission for such a release, as that would set a disastrous precedent for any future President dealing with a demand for information by nutjobs.

    But since we already know what would be released I have no trepidation regarding the outcome whatsoever.

    And by the way… that $100 will only buy you the same COLB he already released two and half years ago.

  2. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayne Doak

    Soetoro a.k.a. Obama’s Connecticut issued SS# is very real. White House correspondent Les Kinsolving has attempted, on more than one occasion, to get an answer from Press Sec. Robert Gibbs about it, but is ignored. It is yet another record that is being suppressed by Perkins and Coie, Soetoro a.k.a. Obama;s legal team with the aid of U.S. Attorneys, et al.

    So… holding off on the simple explanation for Obama’s “Connecticut” SSN for a moment, I have to ask:

    Exactly what nefarious purpose is served by using a SSN from Connecticut and your real name? I’d really like to know. It’s not a rhetorical question.

    Linda Lingle!? Linda LIngle? You are going to hang your hat on Linda LIngle? O.k. but, that doesn’t qualify as an independently verified and vetted source.

    Actually… it most certainly does. It is becoming clear that you don’t even know what you mean yourself by the phrase “independently verified and vetted,”

    Arthur B., every hospital that performs live births keeps copious records of EACH AND EVERY DELIVERY THAT THEY PERFORM. They must do that for insurance purposes and to be in compliance with state regulations.

    And with this, Thayne dives into a demonstration of incompetence in yet another discipline… medical records.

    Hospitals are generally required to retain medical records (to include those of births) for seven years. President Obama will be 50 this year. Do the math.

    So Arthur B., let’s try again: Which hospital in Hawaii (Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Maternity) was Soetoro a.k.a. Obama born in?

    Asked and answered. Kapiolani Medical Center.

    Soetoro a.k.a. Obama did not change his name…his ADOPTIVE father Lolo Soetoro did it for him. That is why his name was/is Barry SOETORO. See how that works?

    No. You are just making stuff up and your double standard is showing. There s no evidence that Obama was ever adopted by Lolo Soetoro, or that he ever had a legal name change from the one he was born with.

    Arthur B. the next time you go to get a passport or a drivers license or a social security card renewed, try bringing your laptop with you, and when you are asked to produce your birth certificate to establish your true identity, just pull your COLB up on your screen and see if that suffices as proper identification for the issuing agency or department. Good luck with that…

    A straw men go…. that’s pathetic. Nobody except Birthers suggest the online image would be used by anybody to try and get a passport.

  3. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayne Doak

    A Hawaiian COLB must be based on a ‘CERTIFICATE on file’ in the HDOH.
    So far it appears that no such CERTIFICATE exists.

    As usual, you are misinformed.

    http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

    An authentic COLB is a ‘part thereof’ (according to HRS 338-13
    But a ‘part thereof’ is EXCLUDED from ‘being considered for all purposes the same as the original’
    It is ONLY an image copy or ALL the contents of a ‘CERTIFICATE on file IN the department’ that is ‘considered for all purposes the same as the original’.

    Your ability to read is apparently no better than your ability to reason. The law you cite actually directly contradicts you… but let’s pretend for a moment it didn’t.

    Even the “long form” you keep asking for is only a “part thereof.” All issued birth certificates (100% of them from every state in the union) is a “short form.” Some are just shorter than others. Hawaii’s is very short, but not the shortest.

    Here is what a genuine “long form” looks like. And guess what? No state has ever issued one.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-acc.pdf

    So… according to you, there is no such thing as a legal birth certificate from the State of Hawaii.

    I’ll let the stupidity of such a position just hang there.

    The HDoH has yet to authenticate the computer generated COLB that Soetoro a.k.a. Obama claims is his genuine birth record. Why?

    They are forbidden by law from doing so.

    On the other hand, riddle me this:

    The Hawaii DoH is fully aware of the online COLB, as they have repeatedly commented on its existence. It bears the seal and certification of the Hawaii DoH to include the signature of Dr. Alvin Onaka. If the certificate is in any way a forgery or fraudulent, their failure to declare it fake is felony aiding and abetting.

    In other words, they have a legal responsibility o declare it a fake if they know it to be a fake.

    They have not done so.

    Why?

  4. Arthur B. says:

    OK, Thayne, let’s take those four issues again, one by one.

    1) On the Social Security number question, you have reinforced my contention that you’ve got nothing. All you can say is that Les Kinsolving has been asking questions about it. So, I’ll ask you again. Give us a Social Security number that you think Pres. Obama has used improperly, and tell us what evidence you have for believing that’s the case. Not a whole pile of “maybes” and “could have beens.” Just one will do it — one for which you have some evidence. (And , of course, you’ve still made no progress in showing us how that’s related to eligibility.) If you can’t do that you’ve got nothing.

    2) Regarding the name of the hospital, as I said last time, “But, even if the governor’s word is not good enough for you, it makes no difference, as the name of the hospital is irrelevant to his eligibility. Why are you even making an issue of it? Do you have no talking points that actually do relate to eligibility?” (And note that your credibility here is damaged by your own lie from yesterday: “You are the ONLY person who is asserting that Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Not even Soetoro a.k.a. Obama has asserted that.”) So, tell us, how does your reluctance to believe Linda Lingle regarding the birth hospital cast any doubt on Obama’s eligibility to hold office? So far you’ve got nothing.

    3) and 4) “Soetoro a.k.a. Obama did not change his name…his ADOPTIVE father Lolo Soetoro did it for him. That is why his name was/is Barry SOETORO. See how that works?” Yes, I certainly do. You make assertions, include some upper-case letters, and pretend that’s the same as providing evidence. I asked you for the evidence that an adoption took place. Do you have any? If you don’t, we have to assume it didn’t happen. That’s the way the law works, that’s the way common sense works. If all you have is insisting loudly that you’re right, you’ve got nothing.

    “If you can’t see the obvious link between these questions and Soetoro a.k.a. Obama’s eligibility, then there is not much I can do for you my friend.”

    LOL, I hope you’re joking! Barack Obama is the President of the United States, and if you’re trying to make the case that he got there without being eligible for the position, the case is yours to make. If you want to lie down on the job and claim that you don’t have to prove anything because the links are obvious, you’re welcome to do so, but that hardly advances your argument. It’s just more of the same — assertions without evidence.

    Come on, can’t you do better than that? So far, for all your bluster and posturing, you’ve got exactly zero. All those phony leads that you pretended were meaningful are lying there in a heap of rubble.

    Try again. Do you have any evidence at all?

  5. Thayne Doak says:

    Historian Dude,
    You are trying too hard. It is rather simple: Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama is supressing, using the awesome power of the United States government, every record that he can get his hands on that has ANY mention of either his real name; place of birth; date of birth; parental lineage; scholarly work at Occidental, Columbia (where over 400 people have been interviewed and cannot attest to EVER seeing Soetoro a.k.a. Obama in attendance), and Harvard Law; passport records; selective service records; his schedule of appointments of his private law practice in Chicago; and all business dealings.
    If you think that is normal, then I have a bridge to sell you…but, then again, I don’t expect that someone who has been blinded by The One, can see the forest for the trees anymore anyway. Too bad.
    Thayne Doak

  6. Thayne Doak says:

    Histroian Dude,

    On Page 26 of “Dreams of My Father”, Obama writes:

    “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,”

    Where is that birth certificate? Is Soetoro a.k.a. Obama lying about that? Gov. Abercrombie has stated, quite emphatically, that he “cannot locate Obama’s original birth certificate” within the records kept at the HDoH. Do you believe Soetoro a.k.a. Obama when he says that he has seen and has in his possession (why would he surrender it to the HDoH?) his original long-form vault copy of his birth certificate? Or, like many of the “facts” he makes claims to in his TWO autobiographies to establish his “life story”, is it just another of the numerous lies he has told?
    Historian Dude, do you ever get tired of being lied to? When the Pres. Bush went on the air to tell the American people that he was NOT going to secure the US/Mexico border, I went on the Scooter McGee show that night and called for his immediate impeachment for gross dereliction of duty and for violating his Oath of office to “protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” I voted for George W. Bush on both his 2000 Presidential election and his re-election in 2004. He was my guy. But he is not above the law of the land, which-if you have forgotten, is the Constitution of the United States of America. And guess what Historian Dude, neither is YOUR guy Soetoro a.k.a. Obama.
    Have some integrity and demand that he release ALL of his records to the American public. Until you can muster the intellectual honesty to do that, not as Histroian Dude, but as I did identifying myself BY NAME and then I took a stand, I won’t take you seriously.
    You, Arthur B., borderaven, mari et al are just hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. Step out into the light and be held accountable for your position(s). I have.
    Thayne Doak

  7. Spike says:

    I keep seeing this question again and again from birthers:

    “The HDoH has yet to authenticate the computer generated COLB that Soetoro a.k.a. Obama claims is his genuine birth record. Why?”

    And it is answered over and over, but many times the answer is more complicated than needed for the question asked so I thought I would jump in and simplify.

    Because official agencies don’t verify .jpg’s, they verify the actual document the .jpg was created from when legally required to do so for a valid legal reason. And the Hawaiian DoH has a rather simple, straightforward and legal process for validation that can be used by any one with a valid legal reason for performing such a verification.

  8. Thayne Doak says:

    Historian Dude,
    BTW, which university did you receive your degree in history from? Law? You seem either like an academic or a very good navigator of Wikipedia, which is it? If you are an academic, why would you want to remain anonymous on this important topic of discussion. I would think that those bona fides would serve to give you the credibility that you currently so sorely lack.
    I received my degree in History with a minor in Political Science from the University of Northern Colorado with Honors. I graduated with a 3.83 GPA and currently work at a private college in Ft. Collins as an adjunct instructor and externship coordinator. I am a member in good standing with the Golden Key International Honor Society and Phi Alpha Theta History Honor Society: IOTA Chapter. My area of research and focus was in Reconstruction to WWII America. You?
    Thayne Doak
    p.s. Your answers to my questions have been incomplete and, quite frankly, in deficit of substance and relevant content. Work harder next time.

  9. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayne Doak

    You are trying too hard.

    Nonsense. I am trying just hard enough. As Winston Churchill said, “A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth has time to put on its pants.”

    It always takes more effort to correct a lie than it is to originally make it. Thats why I am working harder than you are.

    It is rather simple: Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama is supressing, using the awesome power of the United States government, every record that he can get his hands on that has ANY mention of either his real name; place of birth; date of birth; parental lineage; scholarly work at Occidental, Columbia (where over 400 people have been interviewed and cannot attest to EVER seeing Soetoro a.k.a. Obama in attendance), and Harvard Law; passport records; selective service records; his schedule of appointments of his private law practice in Chicago; and all business dealings.

    Once again, you continue to parrot long debunked Birther lies. I am struggling to find in anything you post the slightest hint of an original thought or an effort at genuien research.

    For one example, there is no shortage of interviews of friends, classmates and teachers that klnew him from Columbia. How can you have missed them… other than never even bothering to look. This is because, as is true of most Birthers, you really don’t care if what you post is true.

    You have been demonstrated again, and again, to know nothing about this issue. You have been proven wrong on detail after detail and yet demonstrate a complete impermeability to correction. You have yet to acknowledge a single one of your spectacular errors and falsehoods.

    This is why you are a Birther, and Barack Obama is President of the United States as opposed to the other way around.

  10. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayn Doak

    What? Are you so struggling to cover for how badly you have been exposed on almost every issue discussed in this thread that you suddenly feel the need to play dueling degrees? You know, the argumentum ad verecundiam doesn’t work very well after you’ve already been demonstrated to be no authority at all.

    My arguments stand on their own merit, and your falsehoods remain just as exposed regardless of who I am or where I went to school.

    That said, I will toss you these two bones. My undergrad degree is from the US Military Academy at West Point. I graduated Summa Cum Laude from my graduate program. And if my sister-in-law could graduate from Northern Colorado, anybody could.

    Your answers to my questions have been incomplete and, quite frankly, in deficit of substance and relevant content. Work harder next time.

    First and foremost, you are a Birther. No Birther has ever demonstrated an ability to competently assess either the completeness or substance of any answer to any question they pose.

    So frankly, it is not your personal and anomalous standard that counts. We are a nation of laws not of men, and so we predefine our standards for evidence and proof, and we codify them as law. In this way we foreclose the ad hoc hand waving that is the single arrow in the Birther quiver.

    I have referred you more than once now to the Federal Rules of Evidence. Have you looked at them yet? Or do you find yourself unable to do that and crib from anonymous Birther blogs at the same time?

    You find my answers incomplete and without substance. And I find your arguments ignorant and dishonest. It appears I come out looking pretty good in the comparison.

  11. HistorianDude says:

    @ Thayne Doak

    Re: the birth certificate mentioned in his autobiography.

    Where is that birth certificate? Is Soetoro a.k.a. Obama lying about that?

    Don’t know where it is. Don’t care where it is. And while I couldn’t begin to speculate on whether the president was lying when he wrote that, I know for a fact that you are lying one sentence later. You write:

    Gov. Abercrombie has stated, quite emphatically, that he “cannot locate Obama’s original birth certificate” within the records kept at the HDoH.

    Thayne, Thayne, Thayne…. certainly you know it is a deliberate lie when you invent a quotation and then ascribe it to somebody who never said it. I have read or listened to every interview Abercrombie has given on the issue and he has never said anything even vaguely similar to that statement.

    Now, please enlighten us. Is your fake quotation here an original lie on your part or merely a sign of pathetically sloppy scholarship on your part? Which is it, Thayne? Are you dishonest or merely incompetent?

    If you want to get off the hook, provide a link to where the Governor said that or admit the lie.

    Do you believe Soetoro a.k.a. Obama when he says that he has seen and has in his possession (why would he surrender it to the HDoH?) his original long-form vault copy of his birth certificate?

    I believe that he has seen it. I have no good reason to bleieve that he has it in his possession.

    Historian Dude, do you ever get tired of being lied to?

    Of course I do. That is why I consistently correct you when you lie to me.

    Have some integrity and demand that he release ALL of his records to the American public.

    Why would I demand something quite that absurd? Why do you? What is different about this president that would elicit such idiotic insistence to see things like his Kindergarten records. Can you show me where yuo were equally insistent to see Bush’s Kindergarten records? How about McCain’s passport records? Reagan’s birth certificate?

    It is the demand to see all his records rather than just the one proving his eligibility that exposes the fraudulent agenda of the Birther movement. It is actually not about the Constitution at all. There is no Constitutional requirement that a president be born in hospital, or attend college, or have a Social Security Number.

    If you want to see any of these things, then you must accomplish something no Birther has been able to accomplish. Make a case that you deserve to see them.

  12. HistorianDude says:

    One final aside for Thayne’s benefit. He writes:

    You seem either like an academic or a very good navigator of Wikipedia, which is it?

    Perhaps the single greatest handicap of the contemporary American right-wing is its seeming inability to count higher than two. The false dichotomy is perhaps among the most common fallacious arguments you will find in any right-wing (let alone Birther) contribution to the debate.

    In this case, Thayne exemplifies this characteristic simplicity by offering two and only two non-inclusive options and asking, “Which is it?” The world being more complex than the right-wing mind seems capable of comprehending, the true answer is, “Neither.”

    Instead what I am is somebody who actually has paid attention to this issue, studied the arguments, researched the original documents (to include the writings of our Founders and Framers), and reviewed the law. Under this UserID alone I have been active on blogs and fora regarding the eligibility question since the first Birther lawsuit was filed in August of 2008.

    I am, in short, somebody who knows what he is talking about. As I learned when debating creationists in the 1980s… one must know one’s enemy’s arguments better than he does.

    I have demonstrated again that I apply what I have learned.

  13. Arthur B. says:

    Well, it looks like Thayne has chickened out again. You may remember, I took the first four points he made, assuming that he presented them first because he had the most confidence in them, and asked for his evidence. But the big problem, which I pointed out very early in the thread, is that Thayne has remained fixated in the earliest stages of birtherism. All of his positions are the original, most primitive ones. Many of the other birthers who are still around have at least refined their theories to keep up with the times; even more have long since abandoned the obvious turkeys and adopted more adaptive strategies as they’ve seen their first guesses debunked. But not Thayne. He hasn’t been following the story and keeps making the same dumb mistakes that others learned how to avoid long ago.

    On the Social Security number question, he’s still talking about Neil Sankey’s old collection of raw data; he’s come up with absolutely nothing new and has shown us not the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that Pres. Obama was involved in anything improper. In all this time, that data has gone nowhere, but Thayne would have us believe it’s the smoking gun. He won’t get away with that in this crowd. We know he’s bluffing, he’s got absolutely nothing.

    On the assertions that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and underwent a legal name change, again absolutely nothing. You would think that, with such a large part of his posture based on that assumption, he would have some ability to provide support for it, but instead he resorts to the old birther trick of using capital letters instead of proof. You know, like if he says “his ADOPTIVE father Lolo Soetoro,” then there must actually have been an adoption, even though no record of it has yet turned up. He’s also come up with nothing on the name change — he wants documented proof that Pres. Obama changed his name *back* to Obama while giving us no reason other than speculation to believe that he ever changed his name *from* Obama.

    And you know what’s funny about it? Thayne’s certain that Obama underwent a legally binding name change on the grounds that, in an Indonesian school document, he’s referred to as “Barry Soetoro” — he couldn’t have gotten away with using a name on an Indoensian school form that wasn’t legally his. And yet, to Thayne’s way of thinking, he had no trouble becoming a lawyer, a law professor, a U.S. Senator, and President of the United States using a name that wasn’t legally his.

    And, finally, there’s the incredibly bogus issue of the hospital name, made even more unbelievable because the issue of hospital birth is irrelevant to presidential eligibility. This entire preoccupation of his only makes sense if he has been asleep for the past two years. When I first read his statement to me — “You are the ONLY person who is asserting that Soetoro, a.k.a. Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Not even Soetoro a.k.a. Obama has asserted that.” — it was so absurdly untrue that I took it to be a bald-faced lie. But now I’m not so sure. I think Thayne read about this on a two-year-old blog, made no effort to follow up on the question, and was simply too ignorant to know that this is a dead issue. The name of Obama’s birth hospital is under no real dispute; everybody who wants to know where he was born already knows.

    Thayne knows for sure that Obama is not eligible to be President of the United States. He just needs a little more time to figure out why.

    Folks, we have witnessed another Epic Birther Fail.

  14. jack johnson says:

    The Plain Dork is always confused. I can’t imagine that he would be allowed to teach but at some of those for-profit schools a lot of things go.

  15. J. Muggs says:

    Why didn’t Terry Lakin admit that he knew that he could not obtain a “long form” birth certificate even for his own daughter who was born in Hawaii? His brother Greg Lakin let it slip on a radio show but the host tried to edit it out.

    http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hokie/11

  16. J. Muggs says:

    So just where is this sleeping giant mentioned in the article? Lakin has dropped off the end of the earth as far as the MSM is concerned. The ultra right wing Greeley Gazette, aka the Terry Lakin Fan Club doesn’t count.

  17. Maw Williams says:

    Obumer is a gift from George W Bush. I was stupid enough to vote for GWB in 2000, for that I apologized to the world. I don’t have words to describe people that voted for that thieving eminent domain power grabbing scoundrel, the second time, that are fit to be put in writing. They should take credit for Obama’s lying, thieving, conniving ways, because he is just extending the sorry things that GWB started. The last 3 presidents are pitiful excuses of human beings. I did not have sex with that woman. Good-day

  18. Truth says:

    Is in it a shame that our so called commander in chief would rather place a United States soldier in prison instead of taking two minutes to prove his birth.
    And yes Maw W. YOU ARE STUPID!!! Your idiotic comments prove it.

  19. jack johnson says:

    Thayne Doak is a cook at Bonell old folks home.

  20. Thayne Doak says:

    Jack Johnson (obviously not your real name),
    I am not sure how you came by that information, but it is only partially correct. I was the Director of Dietary Operations at Fox Run Senior Living for 3+ years, but due to some very unwise business/investment/expansion decissions made by the Good Samaritan, myself and the Director of Housekeeping and the Director of Maintenance were let go with severance pay back in 2009. I then was hired by Grace Pointe Continuing Care as a Sous Chef, was promoted to Chef less than a month later and then to the Directors position within 4 months of the last promotion. Yet, after having spent a great deal of my working life in the hospitality/service industry, I really wanted to put my degree to work. Now I am fortunate to work for a small career college in Ft. Collins as their Externship Coordinator. I place Medical Assistant students in doctors offices and health care clinics and centers so that they can perform their clinical hours in order to be in compliance with DOE requirements. I can’t tell you how much I enjoy my new position. I would really like to meet you Jack. I see that you have written some very unflattering things about me. Please send me an email and let me know when and where we can meet and I will pick up the coffee tab. tdoakco@msn.com
    Thank you,
    Thayne Doak

  21. Thyane Doak says:

    Historian Dude, jackjohnson and Arthur B.,
    You guys are strangely silent these days…Are you no longer on the Soros payroll? Or has your mother finally kicked you out of the house and now you have to find a new basement to waste the next 45 years of your life in? Historian Dude, you must be really sweating bullets knowing that Maj. Gen. Horst is staring down the barrel of a court martial and most likely the rest of his life in prison for his false imprisonment of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin.
    I know, let’s try this: I will meet you all in a public forum (3 vs.1…I know you guys only come outside when the odds are in your favor), and I will debate you-point by slimy point on why Soetoro aka Obama is a fraud, serial prevaricator (I’m sorry, did I use a word that’s too big for you? Watch Historian Dude hurry to get onto Wikipedia to figure out that one! Hey, HD what did you guys do for fun with the new cadets at West Point? Aw geez…I knew it involved a shower…), Marxist, and a profligate coward. Oops…I went and did it again…oh well, I think you boys get the point. I’ll have Jack Minor come along to record the whole thing for posterity…darn! I can’t help myself!
    Thayne Doak
    tdoakco@msn.com
    p.s. Jack Minor, when are you going to publish the interview with Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.?

  22. Arthur B. says:

    @Thayne — “you must be really sweating bullets knowing that Maj. Gen. Horst is staring down the barrel of a court martial and most likely the rest of his life in prison for his false imprisonment of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin.”
    ___

    Hey, Thayne, didn’t catch the h/t till just now. How’s it going?

    Still think Maj. Gen Horst is sweating bullets?

    You’re aware, I imagine, that all those fantasies about how the Lakin kangaroo court was going to be eviscerated on appeal turned out to be just more birfer wet dreams. Lakin has dropped his appeal. He’s got a book coming out; maybe he wants to accelerate his dismissal from the service so that he’s not subject to the UCMJ over certain things he might say in the book.

    I guess he wasn’t too confident in the outcome of the appeal if he decided he’s better off accepting his punishment and making his fortune the Jerome Corsi way … ooops, I guess that’s not working out too well either!

    And if anyone wants the gory details of how Lakin was convicted of the most serious count after pleading guilty to the lesser four, the transcript of his court-martial is now online:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/61479490/LTC-TERRENCE-LAKIN-TRANSCRIPT-OF-RECORD-PROCEEDINGS-OF-A-GENERAL-COURT-MARTIAL-LAKIN-Transcript-Redacted-Copy

  23. Thayne Doak says:

    Arthur B.,
    I’m sorry, were you trying to make a point in defense of this despicable Administration and its inexcuseable behavior? Because I was too busy watching my IRA drop like a rock because of the most recent “manufactured crisis” the “President” has blessed us ALL with. Or, do you think that you are somehow immune from the consequences of this mans madness? If you “progressives” (Socialists) weren’t so unbeliveably catastrophic in your niave idealism, you would really be amusing. Yet, sadly the tens of millions of ruined lives that you leave in your greasy wake, belie that hope and leave us with just the grim reality of your pathetically self-important Machiavelian, nihilistic existence.
    God save us all…
    Thayne Doak

  24. Arthur B. says:

    @Thayne — I haven’t the foggiest idea of what you’re talking about. I commented on the fact that LTC Lakin has withdrawn his appeal, and I let those interested know that they can bypass the various lies that have been spread about his court-martial and read the transcript directly.

    But I guess I should have known not to expect too much from you in terms of reading comprehension.

  25. Thayne Doak says:

    Hey Arthur,
    As I have said before, I am more than happy and willing to debate you, and any other you need for support, on the issues regarding Soetoro aka Obama’s eligibility to hold the Office of the President of the United States of America. I have made my email available to you, and anyone else who will take me up on my challenge, but you balk…why? Are you that weak and feckless? Maybe your Mom won’t let you out after 5pm. Listen, if you don’t have the intellectual honesty and moral integrity to back up your trash talk with action, then I will consider you a cowardly sort: not worthy of my time or attention.
    A little advice for you Arthurt B.: Don’t bite off more than you can chew.
    Thayne Doak
    tdoakco@msn.com

  26. Arthur B. says:

    LOL, Thayne, read up the thread a bit. You couldn’t debate your way out of a paper bag; you have made that abundantly clear.

    You don’t even seem capable of understanding that I have been speaking about the Lakin case. That’s what I’ve written about both times, and you haven’t even mentioned it in your responses. Read my posts again, and try hard to understand them. Maybe it would help to keep in mind that the title of the article we’re responding to is “Lakin’s conviction has awakened sleeping giant in Obama’s eligibility.” Breathe deeply and concentrate on the words in front of you. Maybe you can do it; no promises.

    Take your meds, Thayne. You’re foaming at the mouth.

  27. Thayne Doak says:

    Arthur B.,
    Correction. You have been propagandizing about the Lakin case in support of an illigitimate regime. I want to debate you in public. Arthur B. snivelling little cowards like you can only trowell out their mindless drivell on message bords like this one because it affords you the luxury of anonymity. Stand before a crowd of your peers and take accountability for your positions.
    Just give me a time and place and I will have Jack Minor there to record it for those not able to attend.
    C’mon Arthur B., what are you afraid of?
    Thayne Doak

  28. John says:

    Larkin is a disgrace to the armed forces and a slap in the face of all men and women who have and will serve. He refused a direct order from a superior officer and the consequences was a court marshal. Also as a medical doctor by refusing to deploy he also refused to administer medical care. He should be stripped on his medical license.

    –John Clark
    US Army
    Viet Nam

  29. HistorianDude says:

    Sorry this is so late, but who actually pays attention to threads that are six months old? That’s the only reason Thayne Doak’s absurd comments lasted without response for so long. he only came back when he believed it was safe and that the rest of us had forgotten. Until today he was right.

    So Thayne… what exactly happened with your prediction of a Court martial for Karl Horst. He’s doing fine, by the way. Alas not the same can be said for Mr. Lakin.

    That said, is your offer of a debate still open? Because the last Birther that scheduled a debate me (Scott Erlandson) chickened out and did not show up. you can hear it here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rcr/2012/02/22/rc-radio

    If you actually want to debate, contact the host at RC Radio and I’m sure he will happy to coordinate it.

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