Psychologist says pedophilia is sexual orientation similar to homosexuality

by Jack Minor

 

Two psychologists testified before a parliamentary session on a bill related to sexual assault on children that pedophilia is a “sexual orientation” just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.

 Lifesitenews reported on the testimony at a parliamentary session in Canada regarding a bill intended to increase mandatory minimum sentences on child sex offenders for particular crimes. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem were testifying on how offenders responded to treatment.

Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal, said, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”

 He went on to say, “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”

 When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

Dr. Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey said pedophiles’ sexual interests prefer children and “There is no evidence that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

 Van Gijseghem and Quinsey’s views are not unique. Harvard Health Publications said in July 2010 that, “Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges.”

 Linda Harvey, of Mission America, said, “There have been blips on this in the United States for the last decade.” She went on to say, “We will see this trend accelerate as homosexual, transgender and ‘children’s rights’ intersect.”

 Harvey explained that the concept of children’s rights movement is based on the idea of letting children at younger and younger ages make their own choice regarding health care and choice of lifestyle.

Milton Diamond, a University of Hawaii professor, and director of the Pacific Center for Sex and Society, stated that child pornography could be beneficial to society because, “Potential sex offenders use child pornography as a substitute for sex against children.”

 Diamond is a distinguished lecturer for the Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality in San Francisco. The IASHS openly advocated for the repeal of the Revolutionary war ban on homosexuals serving in the military.

 The IASHS lists, on their website, a list of “basic sexual rights” that includes “the right to engage in sexual acts or activities of any kind whatsoever, providing they do not involve nonconsensual acts, violence, constraint, coercion or fraud.” Another right is to “be free of persecution, condemnation, discrimination, or societal intervention in private sexual behavior” and “the freedom of any sexual thought, fantasy or desire.” The organization also says that no one should be “disadvantaged because of their age.”

 Harvey said the problem with that is, “What is the definition of consent”? “When a person says they agree to something that implies consent and the trend is to expand that definition to children in sexual matters.” She said this is an open door for pedophiles to exploit.

 “Gay rights groups are attempting to open up sexuality to children at younger ages.  There are also gay community centers around the country that accept children as young as 10 or 11 without parental consent.” She mentioned a parent in Ohio who asked if her 11 year old nephew would be able to attend one of the centers. The parent asked what was the cutoff age and was told the center tried to cap the age at 22. “This is a pedophile’s dream” Harvey said.


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  • keri hanna says:

    omg, who in there right mind would want to reform a pedophile? are you serious? a child is a child, bottam line. put ur children in a room with them alone , see how u feel then. as far as sexual orientation, is this another way to say “i didnt now better, i cant help it?” let someone touch one of mine, i promise Smith and Wesson will fix it

  • Baldur says:

    Yes, pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Thanks to the evolutionary process known as neoteny, selection for juvenile traits probably played a very large role in the development of the human species, including decreased levels of aggression (compared to other primates) and the rise of human intelligence. Researchers have noted low levels of aggression among pedophiles, which has made life easy for the bullies so far – but still waters run deep and slowness to anger frequently means that anger is righteous when it finally explodes.

    The sexual hysteria in the Anglosphere has now reached epic proportions. For most of human history, it was not terribly surprising if a twelve year old woman was married – even Mary the mother of Jesus was pregnant at about that age – and yet in the Anglosphere the reality that young women are sexual creatures (and that there is nothing wrong with that) is taboo to even acknowledge.

    Americans put men in jail for life for possessing photographs, but women who murder children are routinely out of jail after a few year.

    Our self-appointed “moral guardians” have their priorities seriously mixed up.

  • Truth says:

    Baldur,

    Your comments indicate that you might prefer children too. How much child porn do you own you dirty stinkin’ animal? All of the pedophiles including the sick bastards that feel sorry for them should be shipped to an isolated island. It is insane to think that because in the past animals prayed on the young and inocent children we should therefore go backwards because now some wacky psychologists put a spin on it and say its normal for grown men to rape our children. Baldur you and your kind are part of the world cancer thats slowly trying to destroy the fabric of decency. Pedophiles are gutless, perverted savages who hunt on innocent children. Baldur your comments make me sick. I hope we never meet cos’ it wouldn’t turn out too good for you. How’s that for being moral you sick bastard?

  • bflo82 says:

    To date,there has been no reliable scientific studies that show that homosexuality,like pedophila is NOT a developmental disorder.

    Read the research folks.This is quite a simple question that can be decided empirically,not by trying to parse the words homosexuality and pedophila.It is simple.Simply study the families and family dynamics of homosexuals and pedophiles and I am quite sure they ain;t the same as family psycho dynamics of heterosexuals.Read the research that is already out there.

    In both cases of this psychopathology(not orientation),you will find that the young boy at an early age in certain kinds of families,will fail to identify with boys or to men.Heterosexuality which is inborn in just about everyone on this planet has been derailed.

    This ought not have to be an intellectual debate about diagnostic labels.Make this an empirical debate which is what science ought to do.To even think that heterosexuality is an “orientation” goes against even common sense.

    I guess with this kind of thinking,there is no such concept as psychopathology.Every kind of psychopathology is an “orientation” which means nothing can ever be changed.And we all know or should know,that psychodynamic therapy can be and often is able to help people suffering from symptoms.

    The reason why homosexuals and pedophiles are untreatable is because they don’t think they have a problem which they want to change.If someone doesn’t want to overcome their symptoms,then nothing can be done.Nothing.No one is “born that way”.There is no evidence that young boys are born that way.And how come there seem to be no or few female “pedophiles”.

    I guess,making silly and uninformed comments such as these apologists for psychopathology is simply an “orientation” for stupidity.

  • @ "truth" says:

    I think it’s actually violent people like you that need to be worried about. I don’t understand how people cannot comprehend a child consenting to sex. As a former child who has, I want to say that I’m completely disgusted in this society. How will you apologize when you realize that it’s YOUR FAULT. Placing this much stigma on this issue is way too much burden for ANYONE, child or adult. Stop trying to convince people different from yourself that YOU are somehow more “human”. What are adults teaching their children when they push people around like that? The fact of the matter is that it’s happening and it’s been happening: children have sex with adults. Kids don’t ever need to attempt suicide just because you can’t wrap your head around it. Before anyone calls me a pedophile, yes, I won the genetic (despite how you “believe” it comes to pass) lottery. I never chose to be attracted to children, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have self control. The ironic thing about it is that it’s not that I think adult-child sex is morally wrong, in fact, it’s that I don’t ever want a child to go through what I did in a society that would constantly harass them, even if they hid it. I’m ready for your hate comments.

  • Truth says:

    2 Baldur,

    You contradict yourself with your self indulging moral stigma. First you advocate that having sex whit a child is normal then you wish that a child would not have to go through whatever you went through, since you consented to sex as a child. If you don’t want a child to go whatever you went through: Don’t have sex with one!!! You also purposely fail to mention the mental manipulation, coercion, intimidation and the physical abuse that the innocent children are subjected to before and after their RAPE. And you want to accuse me of being violent for warning the children of the evil of this world that manifests itself in many ways? Screw you and the rest of the pedophiles!!! Just like you like to hunt after children, I LIKE TO HUNT AFTER PEDOPHILES!!!

  • Disgusted says:

    I think I just threw up. Just one more proof that the world has gone mad…again.

  • Xman says:

    .. haha. Do these parliamentarians know that the Canadian Human Rights Tribunals (and their provincial equivalents) exist to enforce s13.1 that makes it an offence to express “hatred or contempt” on the basis of sexual orientation?
    If these ‘experts’ testimony that pedophilia is indeed a sexual orientation is accepted the HRT’s will be busy, since many people may be unable to refrain from expressing ‘hatred or contempt’ for those engaging in pedophilia.

  • Hello says:

    bflo82, to say that homosexuals are that way simply because they don’t think there is anything wrong with themselves is incredibly ignorant. I have known men who went through years of therapy, religious groups, prayer, even hormone treatment, because they refused to be homosexual, and it never works. Clearly, they thought something was wrong with themselves, and yet that did not solve the problem.

  • Rafa says:

    Am I the ONLY one here who finds the fact that these shrinks accepting pedophilia a little bit disturbing? I mean, even Freud himself said things about children and anal sexuality which makes most people uncomfortable, but this is really too much…

  • abstinent pedophile says:

    Finally, the truth is starting to come out. Pedophilia IS a sexual orientation.

    Having said that, all of you people are misrepresenting what the psychologists say. Recognizing the objective fact that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, does not automatically make it morally right to live it out. OBVIOUSLY not!

    I speak from my own experience here. I know pedophilia is a sexual orientation, because that is my curse in life, i did not ask for it. Once we accept that truth, there is good news, and there is bad news:

    The good news is that not every pedophile becomes a child molester. Abstinence is everybody’s choice. I am an example of that, and I would dare to say another example is James M Barry, the author of Peter Pan. Read up on his life. Gay people say it takes one to know one, well, I am absolutely convinced JM Barry was a pedophile.

    The bad news is that there are much much more pedophiles out there than the few that actually gets caught molesting children. Assuming that most people want to live a moral live, I would dare to say the majority does not act out, and no one knows about them. This creates a self enforcing problem:

    The public only ever hear about pedophilia when a child rapist is caught. This creates the public perception that pedophiles are necessarily child rapists. This perception then causes those pedophiles who do not act out to remain quiet, because who wants to be seen as a potential child rapist? Even after 10 years, it’s remains difficult to say “I am a pedophile” even just to myself. I can’t help the fact that I can only feel aroused by little boys, and I so wish there was some way for me to become a normal heterosexual person. I’ve tried hypnosis, and already spend thousands on psychologists, but finally, I had to accept that this is my cross to bear.

    That’s why I’m happy that psychologists, at least, realize that this is a sexual orientation: The sooner we correctly identify the nature of the problem, the sooner we can discover a cure. If you don’t care about the thousands of innocent pedophiles who live in a lonely secret mind prison, then at least you should welcome the prospect that pedophiles might in future seek help and get cured, before they act out. As long as we just label the condition as “they’re monsters”, there will always be pedophiles, and some of them will always have victims.

    On a side note, I think recognizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation would hopefully cause people to think twice about how they live out their own sexuality. People who say stupid things like “It’s unhealthy to suppress your sexuality” or “You can’t judge my gay lifestyle, because I was born like this / I can’t help it”, should know there is an invisible pedophile audience out there, and to some of them, these kind of utterances is music to their ears: It’s all the justification they need to live out their sexual orientation. Yes, obviously they’re still wrong, but what of the children who are hurt because of thoughtless utterances? Maybe, people do not like the idea that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, because they like the idea that sex is a form of cheap entertainment which everybody has a right to. If pedophilia is a sexual orientation, then people will have to reevaluate sexual morals. For some people “abstinence” is a curse. If those people had to become pedophiles tomorrow, how many of them will be ready to accept abstinence as a way of life?

    For me, abstinence is not the problem. You see, I really do love children: Nothing breaks my heart more than a child that suffers, and my desire to protect them from harm is far stronger than my sexual urges. No, what makes pedophilia difficult to bear for me, is that I have to go through live with a secret. I hate lying to people, and therefore, having a secret is horrible. I never know what to say when people ask me “Why are you not married?”. Even worse are those “helpful” types who ask: “So, what is it you want in a woman?”. Or when someone tells me: “Wow, look at that pretty woman”, and I’m like “huh? oh! which one??”. On the other hand, I can never tell anyone “That’s a cute kid”. In fact, just looking at a kid makes me feel like everybody can see right through me, and see my secret. If only I could tell the world: Yes, I’m a pedophile, and NO there is no risk of me ever molesting a child… but then who would trust that? I know I wouldn’t if I was a normal person, so how can I blame anyone else? In fact, even if you told me you trust me with your children, knowing my sexual orientation, I still would not believe you. I would constantly wonder what you’re thinking of me.

    Please. Accept that Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, so the scientists can start working on a cure. The sooner they start, the sooner they finish, and the sooner people like me can stop pretending to live a normal live, and GET a real normal life.

  • Baldur says:

    I have just seen this page again for the first time since I last replied. Interesting how “Truth” has “replied” to things I never claimed. For instance, though I did know a boy lover in my youth, our very good relationship was never sexual, and I was never sexually abused by anyone. Methinks that “Truth” needs to do a little soul searching.

    To “abstinent pedophile” and others like him: your sexual orientation is not a curse – it is the people who want to hurt you for it that are a curse. You are like the majority of pedophiles who would never harm a child. You should know that the great majority of child abusers are not pedophiles at all, but what are called “situational offenders” who are usually heterosexual teleiophiles, and these are the same sort of people who tend to hate pedophiles the most: abusive people.

  • Give me a break says:

    This Professor Diamond is a real character. He is pro child pornography for a sexual outlet for pedophiles, but rallies the IASHS which claims to not support “nonconsensual acts.” Firstly, there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child. Manipulation of a child’s young mind does not equate with consent. And since child pornography is the exploitation of child abuse, not consensual sex, watching child pornography does not qualify as upholding the ideals of IASHS. Therefore, Professor Diamond is a hypocritical fool.

  • Binky says:

    @abstinent pedophile says:

    I’d admire you for your courage and honesty. The problem with framing the pedophilia as a “sexual orientation” is that the gay activists have propogated the idea that orientation is immutable, unchangeable, and therefore natural.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Not all sexual orientations are equal and valid.

  • Blueprint says:

    This whole thread and most of its comments are just astonishing. Grand standing, justifying and threats violence are all nothing more than smoke screens for the true evil that is really taking place. You guys conveniently miss the most obvious evidence of all.

    Romans 1:26 – 28. V28 states; “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.” V26 states “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

    The only sexual orientation approved by God is that of heterosexuality. The rest, including homosexuality and pedophilia are all of the same ilk. They are depravity and sin.

    Trying to justify how one is lesser than the other and so should thus be legalised is absolute nonsense and will become the demise of mankind. We should not be beating these people up as some here seem to suggest, but neither should the conduct be tolerated or legalised. These folk need help not more fuel.

    If you ever wonder why the world is dealing with these bizarre topics in this age and time, then stand in line as mankind looks at itself in the mirror.

  • John Angelico says:

    “grappling with heterosexuality”

    Sorry, but people don’t grapple with normality. They grapple with AB-normality.

  • Jimmy says:

    Pedophile and child molester are not the same thing, so some of you need an education before you start with your nonsense rants.
    I’m a pedophile and I was definitely born that way! I like prepubescent children and always have. I have not and never will act on such thoughts as I feel they are disgusting and very harmful. I love children and never have thought about them that way in person. It’s a very miserable existence to be this way, and I definitely didn’t choose it.

    P.S. To all you cowards and your feeble threats behind your computer screens. I’m six foot four and 200 pounds and I’m strapped too, so if you could somehow manage to find me, I doubt you could kick my A#$, but keep dreaming.

  • Jimmy says:

    Blue print,

    Get an education in science and facts. I’m so tired of seeing these fallacious arguments based on a book of fairy tales and make believe friends. The bible isn’t real, grow up already.

  • David says:

    The problem is more than mental. Pedophiles are morally depraved and have a spiritual problem. They start by choosing wrong and justifying it and then their morals decline effecting their desires as well. The Lord Jesus warned against harming little ones. The crime of pedophilia hurts and bruises children for life and by saying it is normal to go against the rights of the child, it releases the responsibility of the depraved offender. The word of God plainly speaks of this issue in Romans 1. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:” I pray for the protection of the children whose lives will be effected. I pray for these doctors that promote such lies and wickedness. They say that child porn can be helpful when it simply feeds the wretched and wrong desires that leads to actions against the innocent. Your thoughts effect your actions. I also pray for those that do such vicious acts. I pray they look to Jesus to be changed from within. He is able to change the lives of those that willingly submit to Him.

  • Anonymously concerned says:

    I shake my head in shame at this article, but reading some comments from people who struggle with this I just say that you need Jesus to overcome this, because I honestly don’t think they’ll be a “cure” or something close to it within the next 100 years. Even that I doubt.

    Furthermore, try telling a victim of child rape or child molestation that pedophilia is a sexual orientation and that its natural. See what they say.

    I could say so much about this subject I think it would cover an entire 400 page novel, but I won’t, because I don’t think it’s worth it. The only thing that crosses my mind when thinking about the possibility of pedophilia becoming socially acceptable is utter fear…
    I am terrified that by putting children into the world someday, because I wish to be a parent someday, I’m putting them into a world where they’ll be in danger of having their innocence and childhood snatched away from them by someone taking advantage of the hypothetical future socially acceptable act of pedophilia. I fear for their livelihood, and my life has hardly started, so I haven’t even begun to consider marriage yet, let alone kids.
    I tremble with fear that generations of people from me would be pulled into a lie that it’s ok for children to engage in sexual acts with an adult. What has our world come to? Not even 18-year-olds are mature enough in some situations.
    I don’t know what else to say, but I’m fearful for what our country and our world will become one day.

  • Both normal and pedophile says:

    I get both normal heterosexual and pedophile urges. I had no say in the latter. It is an orientation. Thankfully I am able to have sex with people closerto my age and enjoy it. Childmolestation is still a discusting act and should still be punished severely.

  • Col_C says:

    I thought this was something I would find on Snopes being untrue. I googled one of the Drs names and found this web site which confirms this attempt to justify the actions of these sick individuals; http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11988/20120907/science-pedophilia-sexual-orientation.htm. This is what we do with all wrong actions in our society we try to make excuses and justify the act. The simplest solution would be castration of any offender. Not chemical but physical removal of the testicles. But we know that won’t happen. In 20 years Pedo’s will be advocating marriage of 50 year old with 8 year old and calling it normal

  • dee says:

    i just cried i i freezed when i read some comments here.. child should have good childhood without any perverted situations (“touching” sexual abuse watching nude talking about deviant things or just asking them this kind of guestions) it influes on their mentality(!) it breaks sth in their soul how they can live then normal sth changes forever maybe tiny thing in their mind tiny tiny but it always results in the future they can’t feel normal their live with this burden their whole life whats more when their young they dont understand everything later when they gow up and realize what actually was that.. some of them can express their anger in many ways give vent to anger, their feel guilty feel bad..
    maybe it’s an orientation i dont know but who says it’s good? and to Abstinent pedophile i admire that you tried to ‘fix yourself’ and you dont “do” anything i respect that but i beg you never give any child to know that it is subject of interest of this kind of person.. but i’m afraid there is always tiny chance that you could have a moment of weakness
    baldur you says like pedophilia is sth good..
    btw bflo82 made a good point about
    “the young boy at an early age in certain kinds of families,will fail to identify with boys or to men”

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