Tribune mocks Lakin, ignores legitimate discrepancies into Obama birth issue

The Tribune once again took a swipe at a decorated soldier from Greeley who simply asked for a document that the President finally released last week.

 Using mocking words, the Tribune, in an editorial, appears to take pleasure in Lt. Col. Terry Lakin’s going to jail for missing a movement. He felt compelled to take this action after attempting for more than a year to get answers to questions that could have been resolved with the release of the long form birth certificate Obama released last week.  They seem to take a greater delight in his sentence than in the  prison sentences of convicted drug dealers, murderers and sex offenders.

 They state dogmatically that it was wrong to have doubts over Obama’s citizenship. This is a strong statement when there is no evidence of them ever having investigated the issue for themselves.

 Unlike the Tribune, the Gazette actually sent a reporter to cover Lakin’s court martial last year. A search of articles on Lakin by both newspapers will reveal a stark difference between the papers. In our coverage we actually interviewed Lakin’s brother and printed letters showing the depth to which the family wished to resolve this issue.

 The Gazette also interviewed retired generals and JAG officers regarding the case. While there may be some who disagree with the stand Lakin took or whether one should question a president’s qualifications, one thing is clear. We did not simply copy and paste from other news sites, we actually talked to people.

 By contrast the Tribune interviewed no one, except Lakin’s parents when the issue first broke, and then only to find out their opinion on his actions. They couldn’t even get the location of the court martial correct, saying it was Fort McNair. All other Tribune coverage was based on information provided by the Associated Press.

 The Tribune has long had a disdain for Terry Lakin; comparing him to a vicious murderer, Allan Andrade, who killed transvestite Angie Zapata. Now, in mocking tones, after Obama released the long form birth certificate, the Tribune said, “Well, he has his proof now.”

 What is amazing is, up until last week, the media swore that Obama had already released his birth certificate to the public. They said the proof had already been offered and there was nothing more to release. With the release of the certificate last week, which most assuredly is not the same as the Certification of Live Birth presented during the campaign, those in the media who claim to have seen the birth certificate were shown to be liars.

 The Tribune seems to discount Lakin’s concerns about Obama’s eligibility simply because the state of Hawaii said he was eligible. This is the same state who said that no one, including the President would be allowed to copy the long form. Never mind that a woman was able to obtain what was supposed to be unobtainable in October. Again, never question why there is a contradiction here.

 The Tribune stated they were preparing to fight for the sealing of records in the case of Greeley Police Officer Daniel Shephard’s alleged sexual assault of a young woman. Why? After all, shouldn’t we just accept whatever the police and prosecutors say happened and trust their judgment? We don’t need to verify what they are saying is correct do we?

 The answer is, of course we do. We also need to hold the President, regardless of  party affiliation, to the same standards of openness and transparency we expect from our police officers. Obama is not a private citizen and the qualifications for President are the highest of any position listed in the Constitution.

 The fact is there are numerous discrepancies in Obama’s birth and early history that should justify asking questions. There is the matter of two different hospitals being listed as the place of his birth. We have documented how a posting on his own campaign website showed Queens as the hospital of his birth. Obama’s half-sister even said he was born at Queens and then later changed her story to say he was born in Kapiolani. Of course, no big deal since everyone is born at two different hospitals.

 Additionally there are a number of foreign newspapers who have claimed that Obama was born in Africa. The Kenyan Observer in 2008 made reference to “the Kenyan born senator.” African Travel Magazine declared “as Kenyan born, US Senator Barrack Obama gets into Kenya today…” Other Kenyan officials have said that Obama was born there. No other President has had this number of foreign sources claiming birth outside the US.

 Do their statements alone mean that Obama was born in Kenya? Of course not, the Gazette has never asserted that he was. However, unlike the Tribune we believe these discrepancies merit a closer look. There was a time when newspapers realized it was their responsibility to investigate and ask questions. When faced with discrepancies like this they would ask politicians to explain the contradictions.

 The Tribune’s editorial all but called Lakin, and anyone who would inquire into these discrepancies, a racist. They asked, “When has any president ever been asked to repeatedly prove he was born in this country?” Thus implying that no other candidate has ever been asked these questions.

 Their question shows either a profound ignorance of history or a deliberate attempt at lying. If they had bothered to do any research they would have discovered that white Republican, Dwight Eisenhower needed to produce his birth certificate to run for president.

 If that is too far back, then we need only go back to the last election. The New York Times became the first “birthers” by questioning whether John McCain, another white Republican, met the definition of natural born citizen under the Constitution. Their intense questioning led to the Senate holding hearings on McCain’s eligibility but they did not hold similar hearings for Obama.

 What was interesting is that in the resolution co-sponsored by Obama declaring McCain eligible he may have indicated his own ineligibility.

 There are many legal scholars who believe the definition of natural born citizen, as opposed to simply citizen refers to being born on American soil to two American parents. In the resolution declaring McCain to be qualified,Obama and the other senators appear to acknowledge this point.

 The resolution states, “Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President,” It goes on to state that McCain is eligible because he “was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936.”

 If this definition is correct then Obama would be ineligible regardless of what state he was born in. His father was a Muslim polygamist with a British passport. This is why the Supreme Court needs to issue a definitive ruling on what constitutes a natural born citizen. 

Currently there is no controlling legal authority for determining the eligbility of any candiate. The courts have ruled it is the job of Congress and the electoral college to determine eligibility. Congress has  said the issue should be decided by the courts.

 It is also amazing that the Tribune does not seem to want to ask why Obama did not release the birth certificate last year. If, as they say it answers all the questions, then why did he not release it when not just Lakin but other members of the military were asking for it? He could have released it and prevented Lakin, a man whom everyone agrees had a sterling record of service from going to jail.

 Why didn’t the president care about the millions of dollars spent on lawsuits by both parties that clogged up the court system asking for the birth certificate? Letters by the Lakin family to the president obtained by the Gazette showed that Obama knew releasing the certificate could have prevented Lakin’s court-martial and conviction. Instead he released it following a USA Today poll showing only 38 percent of the American people believed he was born in the U.S. By releasing it only when it benefits him, and ignoring legitimate concerns by members of the military he has shown a callous disregard for those under his command.

The Tribune says “he gave up his military career to prove a point that wasn’t possible to prove.” Of course, the media now says the birth certificate released last week proves he is eligible. So which is it? According to the Tribune, it is impossible to prove Obama is eligible, that is quite an admission. We have never said such a thing, they appear to be more extreme on the eligibility issue than we are.

 Now that the certificate has been released, the pattern by the Tribune and other media continues, “quickly now, let’s move along, nothing to see here.” The White House says that’s the real deal so okay, that settles it.

 Let’s not ask some basic questions such as how a photocopy of a 1961 document could look so pristine. There are already experts, including one in Grand Junction saying the document has been altered. Another expert, Ivan Zatkovich has said “There was an explicit action by a person to modify the document.” Zatkovich has over 28 years of experince in computer science and document management. For the past 10 years he has been used as an expert witness in federal court for civil and criminal proceedings.

 We do believe these questions should be looked into. This is why if Obama truly wished to put the issue behind him he would submit his original copy to a forensic test.

 If Woodward and Bernstein had followed the lead of today’s journalists, Nixon would have never been forced from office in disgrace. They did what journalists are supposed to do, question and investigate. Not simply blindly accept whatever our leaders tell us.

 

If there are questions about a leader’s qualifications, it is the responsibility of a free and independent press to look into it. Sadly, the Tribune appears not to have done so; it’s easier to let other news organizations do the work for them.

 


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  • Thank you for your continued coverage of LTC Lakin. He is a true American hero. I use the tribune to line my bird cage.

  • The Magic M says:

    > They state dogmatically that it was wrong to have doubts over Obama’s citizenship.

    It is not wrong to have doubts. It is, however, wrong for a member of the military to disobey orders from his direct superior because he “has doubts”. This is not how the military works.
    “Oh, sorry, Sir, I’m afraid I can’t do that until I’ve seen the West Point enrollment papers of everyone in my chain of command up to the Joint Chiefs of Staff”.

    > With the release of the certificate last week, which most assuredly is not the same as the Certification of Live Birth presented during the campaign, those in the media who claim to have seen the birth certificate were shown to be liars.

    The COLB *is* the official birth certificate that Hawaii issues. Obama chose to finally give you birthers what you wanted (the “long form”) and here you go again with your lies.

    > There are many legal scholars who believe the definition of natural born citizen, as opposed to simply citizen refers to being born on American soil to two American parents.

    If by “many legal scholars”, you mean two birther lawyers with no experience in constitutional law, then you are probably correct in your parallel universe.

    > Thus implying that no other candidate has ever been asked these questions.

    Well, obviously Lakin did not care much about GW Bush’s birth certificate (where is it? have you seen it?) or Clinton’s etc. So it is true that no other president has ever been asked these questions.

    Besides, Lakin chose to ignore the fact that the COLB Obama released was and is the one official birth certificate that Hawaii produces, authenticated by the state of Hawaii. Lakin simply chose to say “that’s not enough for me”, a foolish errand.

    > He could have released it and prevented Lakin, a man whom everyone agrees had a sterling record of service from going to jail

    Lakin would have gone to jail anyway for refusing to obey orders from his direct superior.

    > Why didn’t the president care about the millions of dollars spent on lawsuits by both parties that clogged up the court system asking for the birth certificate?

    Obama never spent “millions of dollars” on birfer lawsuits. Is deliberate lying now replacing serious journalism?

    > Letters by the Lakin family to the president obtained by the Gazette showed that Obama knew releasing the certificate could have prevented Lakin’s court-martial and conviction.

    No, because disobeying orders always results in court-martial and conviction.

    > According to the Tribune, it is impossible to prove Obama is eligible

    No, that is not what the Tribune meant when they wrote “he gave up his military career to prove a point that wasn’t possible to prove.”
    Besides, Obama never needed to prove to Lakin he’s eligible. Just like his Commander or his General do not need to show him their West Point papers. THAT IS NOT HOW THE MILITARY WORKS!

    > The White House says that’s the real deal so okay, that settles it.

    And Hawaii says it’s the real deal. Is this serious journalism or the “everyone is covering for Obama” conspiracy foolishness?

    > This is why if Obama truly wished to put the issue behind him he would submit his original copy to a forensic test.

    Haven’t you birthers claimed “he only needs to show his BC and it will all be over”? Now you’re moving the goalposts again, it seems.

    > it’s easier to let other news organizations do the work for them

    You mean we should leave it to news organizations such as the Greely Gazette who allows its editors to openly lie and distort the truth instead of investigating it?

  • SamSewell says:

    New AKA Obama BC fake – Prove it to yourself

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/04/new-aka-obama-bc-fake-prove-it-to.html

    Dr. Polland’s Analysis of the Certificate of Live Birth Released on April 27, 2011
    “The morons forget to flatten the layers! You should see what this looks like in Photoshop or any other Adobe program that reads PDF’s and works with layers.”
    # # # #

    Scanned documents aren’t evidence of anything even if they are legitimate. The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images are like people studying animals by examining imitation scat.
    # # # # # #
    KJCT-8 News: Graphic Artist Questions Obama Birth Certificate
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/05/kjct-8-news-graphic-artist-questions.html
    # # # # # #
    IS THIS DOCUMENT VALID? – YES OR NO AND REASON WHY
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-this-document-valid-yes-or-no-and.html
    “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” – Barack Hussein Obama – August 21, 2010

    The fact that such an obvious forgery as the Obama birth certificate is not gaining any traction from Republican leadership is a puzzlement.

    Do you suppose the Republicans are saving this damaging revelation for later on? Why use it now? Wouldn’t it have a more powerful effect nearer election time?

  • Susan Daniels says:

    Outstanding article which demonstrates how pathetically the news media has become the lapdogs of the liberals.

    It is disgraceful that the poseur in WH released a birth certificate (already proven to be a fake even though the COLB was supposed to be the real one) to try to dodge Donald Trump’s increasing aggression, Obama’s falling approval ratings and the soon to be released book by Jerry Corsi. And when that didn’t work they managed to “kill” bin Laden.

    When I was young all I heard is “don’t trust anyone over thirty.” Now what I hear is “don’t trust anyone in the government.” And that should be taken seriously.

  • PublicServant says:

    While hurling slurs (racist, lunatic) at reasonable people seeking confirmation that Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as claimed– the Greeley Tribune and other Obama-friendly papers have completely ignored prominent Kenyans- including two high level government officials who declared Obama born in Kenya. Cabinet Minister Orengo, e.g., has fought corruption and received an award for integrity from the International Commission of Jurists. Thanks to liberal media organs like the Tribune, many still do not know that Kenyans claim Obama as their “natural born” son. The Tribune seems to believe its job is to manipulate public opinion to Obama’s advantage- not to search for and report the truth. Senator McCain was unfairly made the subject of relentless media questions about his “natural born” status in 2008– yet Obama with a foreign father and undetermined birthplace (all anecdotal information points to his birth in Kenya) escaped any probing from the “mainstream” media. When the latest edition of the birth certificate was released by Obama in response to Donald Trump’s highly publicized demands, no one asked why the President’s spokesman lied when it told the public in 2008 that his birth certificate had already been released. There was no question asked as to why Obama’s friend, Hawaii Governor Abercrombie in December could find no document to release to “placate birthers” (admitting this was a problem for Obama in 2012) or why this same birth record wasn’t ready 6 months ago to release to spare Greeley native, LTC Lakin a prison sentence. Every DMV in the country is required to “authenticate” documents– the real test of the legitimacy of the latest version of Obama’s birth record rests on a forensics test- but don’t count on the Obama White House to voluntarily submit to one.

  • HistorianDude says:

    You’re comparing yourself to Woodward and Bernstein now Jack? Do you know what a “delusion of grandeur” is? I suspect that the Tribune is not mocking Lakin as much as they are mocking the Gazette and its descent into conspiracist murk.

    There is so much wrong in this whiny pity piece that I don’t know where to start… so I will pick just one example of the absolutely miserable reporting it contains: your account of John McCain’s situation.

    If that is too far back, then we need only go back to the last election. The New York Times became the first “birthers” by questioning whether John McCain, another white Republican, met the definition of natural born citizen under the Constitution. Their intense questioning led to the Senate holding hearings on McCain’s eligibility but they did not hold similar hearings for Obama

    1. It is a Birther lie that never dies that the Senate “held hearings” on McCains eligibility. They did no such thing. No hearings were held, no discussions or debate ever took place since the details of McCains birth were never questioned or in doubt. They unanimously passed without hearings or debate the non-binding resolution declaring him a natural born US citizen. Obama was one of the co-sponsors.

    2. The NY Times were not the first “birthers.” The first Birthers were the conservative Republican Fred Hollander and religious conservative Markham Robinson (American Independent Party) who sued McCain in courts in New Hampshire and California respectively claiming he was not natural born.

    3. McCain responded exactly as Obama had responded until just a few weeks ago. He successfully moved to have the cases dismissed based on standing.

    The irony of statements like “If they had bothered to do any research they would have discovered that white Republican, Dwight Eisenhower needed to produce his birth certificate to run for president,” can also not be allowed to pass without comment. This too is a complete fabrication… Eisenhower needed to do no such thing. That you have repeated this BIrther falsehood shows us all what passes for “research” in the mind of Jack Minor… repeating what some other amateurish Birther blogs have asserted without doing any actual research at all.

    Google is not “research.” And plagiarizing WND will not make you the big bucks that Joe Farah makes. His lies are, at least, sometimes original.

  • heyjude says:

    THAT IS TELLING THAT NASTY TRIBUNE MR JACK, THAT IS WHY I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THE GAZETTE IN THIS TOWN, AT LEAST WE CAN SEE ANOTHER OPINION ON SEVERAL SUBJECTS. GOOD LUCK TO TERRY LAKIN . THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ SamSewell

    So… how many years have we been waiting for your “OMG Moment?” Two? Three?

    As I recall… such delusions are reflected by #8 on the “Conspiracy Theorist Profile,” to whit:

    8. Irrational anticipation of imminent victory.

    Conspiracy theorists are often convinced that they are just one day/argument/case away from completely vanquishing their rhetorical foes. They will believe this for years and years and years and…

    That said, you made one important point that deserves attention in your post above. You wrote:

    Scanned documents aren’t evidence of anything even if they are legitimate. The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document.

    Online image analysis can only tell of an image has been modified, not if the original document is authentic. Only the State of Hawaii has the authority to attest whether or not the President’s birth certificate is genuine. And as we all know, they have attested that it is genuine.

    Thanks for playing. Try again.

  • Truth says:

    @ The Tribune

    Question: “When has any president ever been asked to repeatedly prove he was born in this counrty”
    Answer: When has any other president had the discrepancies regarding their birth that Obama’s had? The Constitution demands it!!!

    It’s quite expected and typical for the liberal fools to pull out the race card and deliberately have you ignore all the facts. The clear irony in this is that if Obama would be a Republican conservative the same smoke screen, fact twisting/ignoring liberal nuttjobs would be out in the streets screaming bloody murder. The same joyus liberals pleasuring themselves in having an honorable decorated soldier imprisoned would blame society and plead for mercy on behalf of thieves, rapists and murderers. That’s liberalism at its best!!!

    What’s even more ironic is that Obama refused to released his long form birth certificate when an honorable soldier under his command requested to see it, the same soldier he asked to place his life on the line for his country and ordered to deploy to Afganistan. Obama wouln’t do it for a soldier, but did it when Trump demanded it because his re-election was clearly threatened when his approval polls were plummeting.

    Now Obama is attempting to cover up his shame by honoring the soldiers that killed/assassinated Bin Laden. (Let me be clear: I vigorously applaud Bin Laden’s killing!!! I also give credit to Obama for giving it the green light after eighteen hours of brooding.) The majority of the credit here should go to our military, and the rest of the intelligence agencies involved, not Obama!!! God bless our soldiers and their families!!!

    SO LETS SEE: OBAMA AND THE TRIBUNE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH IMPRISONING A SOLDIER QUESTIONING THE LEGALITY OF THE PRESIDENCY, BUT HONORS ANOTHER WHO EXECUTED BIN LADEN. THAT’S REAL LEADERSHIP AND IMPARTIAL JOURNALISM FOR YOU. I WANDER WHAT THE HEADLINES WOULD BE IF BUSH HAD BIN LADEN ASSASSINATED WITHOUT A FAIR TRIAL?, HMMMM THE HYPOCRISY IS DEAFENING.

  • When are the other media outlets going to become journalists? For those doubting Thomas’s there is an excellent documentary prepared by Mrs. Tracy Fair that proves once and for all that Mr. Soetoro aka Obama is not and can never be eligible to be president of the United States. The birth certificate has been a “red herring” produced by the Usurper and his minions as one of many distractions. The U.S. Constitutional requirement for ELIGIBILITY is that the candidate must be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. This is determined by circumstances of birth: TWO CITIZEN PARENTS AT THE TIME THE CANDIDATE WAS BORN, AND THE CANDIDATE BORN ON US SOIL. Serious writers for the news, radio, and television would be wise to watch Mrs. Fair’s video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE Thank you Jack Minor!

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ Truth

    Lakin was not imprisoned for “questioning the legality of the presidency.” In fact, even after questioning the president’s eligibility for (by his account) two years, he was still placed on the promotion list to O-6.

    He was not imprisoned for what he believed, but for what he did.

    He disobeyed his direct orders and missed movement. He even pleaded guilty to all but one of the charges against him, and testified in court that he knew his orders were lawful when he disobeyed them. Such an egregious breach of military discipline by a senior officer, combined with its direct violation of his oath of commissioning could not go unpunished, regardless the motivation behind them.

    Lakin methodically and deliberately destroyed his own career in an act of pointless political grandstanding. The only victims here are his family. And that too was entirely his choice.

  • The Magic M says:

    > This is determined by circumstances of birth: TWO CITIZEN PARENTS AT THE TIME THE CANDIDATE WAS BORN, AND THE CANDIDATE BORN ON US SOIL

    No, the “two citizen parent” part is a fabrication by people who have no idea about Constitutional Law or the legal history of citizenship and the “natural born” issue.

    Just remember Wong Kim Ark where SCOTUS affirmed the lower court’s decision that Ark is a natural born citizen despite “only” being born on US soil to two foreign citizen parents.

    > When are the other media outlets going to become journalists?

    Mr Minor’s baseless rehashing of long-debunked birther claims is not “journalism”. Has he investigated anything on his own? No. Does he simply repeat what birther outlets such as WND or the Post and Email write? Yes. Does he reflect upon what he writes and make a solid argument? No. So where’s the “journalism” here?

    > no one asked why the President’s spokesman lied when it told the public in 2008 that his birth certificate had already been released.

    Because he did not lie. The COLB is the birth certificate that Hawaii officially issues. The additional information on the LFBC (which was only issued as an exception) does not have any meaning as to the validity of the COLB. Just like only a passport is a passport, not a photocopy of all the data the passport office has on you. Easy to understand if you’re ready to understand, right?

    > There was no question asked as to why Obama’s friend, Hawaii Governor Abercrombie in December could find no document to release to “placate birthers”

    He couldn’t because privacy laws forbade it. Only when Obama specifically asked the Hawaiian DoH for an exception could they release additional documents.

    > or why this same birth record wasn’t ready 6 months ago to release to spare Greeley native, LTC Lakin a prison sentence.

    Because it wouldn’t have spared him his sentence. The COLB was the official document. If Lakin didn’t accept it, that’s his personal problem. Obama has no obligation to bow to the personal wish-list of a medium-ranked soldier so that he can finally do his duty, that is to follow orders.

    > Every DMV in the country is required to “authenticate” documents– the real test of the legitimacy of the latest version of Obama’s birth record rests on a forensics test-

    No, the state of Hawaii confirming the document as genuine is enough. Just like your passport is enough and no-one will require a forensics test before you can use it.

    > many still do not know that Kenyans claim Obama as their “natural born” son.

    Then why doesn’t Mr Minor interview any of them? *That* would be journalism!

    But of course since these people will not confirm their alleged statements, all you will do is claim “they were threatened” because only that will allow you to keep your wingnut conspiracy theory alive.
    You have *zero* evidence and dismiss any evidence to the contrary as “forgery”, “lie” or “the witness was threatened/bought/…”. Rational discussion is not possible with such a mindset.

  • Bill says:

    Are Jack & Brett more obsessed with homosexuals or the Greeley Tribune? Now that’s a topic for some investigative journalism.

  • SamSewell says:

    Judge Decides – The Public’s Right to Know Outweighs the Politicians Right to Privacy!

    There is much of legal thinking that I don’t understand, but let me put this forward. During the 2010 electionsa judge in Alaska made a rulling about a candidate keeping things secret from the people. Here is my take on that incident: Hey Obama – The Public’s Right to Know Outweighs the Politicians Right to Privacy!

    “Mr. Miller’s right to privacy is indeed outweighed by the public’s significant interest in the background of a public figure who is running for the U.S. Senate.”

    Let’s just rephrase that a little:

    Mr. Obama’s right to privacy is indeed outweighed by the public’s significant interest in the background of a public figure who claims to be President of the United States.

    From the Anchorage Daily News, Judge orders Miller documents released:http://www.adn.com/2010/10/23/1515937/judge-orders-miller-documents.html

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ SamSewell

    Get a judge to say that in this case, and perhaps we’ll have something to talk about.

  • CJ says:

    Question?

    1. Have anyone actually seen a birth certificate indicating that President Obama was born in Kenya??

    2. Have anyone actually seen any records that Obama mother has every visited Kenya around the time that President Obama was born??? Folks, in order to enter or leave this country, you have to have a passport. If Obama mother went to Kenya, there has to be a record of her entering and leaving Kenya.

    3. Have one heard of Mr. Neil Abercrombie? He is the current Governor of Hawaii and he knew both of Obama parents while they were in College in Hawaii. He has come out publically stating that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    4 Have anyone actually read “Mr Magic M” comments? If not, you should. Because he is telling it like it is. Releasing the president birth certificate would have saved Mr Larkin from going to jail. He went to jail for not following a lawful order. And that is the bottom line.

  • Not My Name says:

    Well, the Kernel is gone. No longer does his name remain on the rolls of honorable men and women who have bravely served by following orders. An opportunist who has suckled at the Government tit for almost two decades is disgraced among us with only a taxpayer funded Medical Degree between him and the cold, cruel world.

    I hope he can keep from starving. That would be too cruel.

  • The previous commenter, listed simply as “The Magic M”, has obviously not seen the video of Mrs. Tracy Fair, nor has this commenter done any in depth reading of the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT OF OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! The Magic M is clearly not interested in fact but only in SPIN.

  • You Should Follow Us
    …Trump Is Already Running the Country .
    Thank you Donald Trump for your outstanding service to your country!
    The issues Donald Trump raised of birth certificate and companion US Constitutional requirement as to natural born citizen has not been resolved! The aka BH Obama recently released WH website art work rendition of a Birth certificate is not a legal archival quality document. Furthermore have some missteps in fabrication, per experts! Second the natural born citizen constitutional requirement while completely misstated and distorted in the mockingbird media remains a real issue for aka OBAMA regardless of where he is finally determined to have been born. We can give Donald Trump the credit for two accomplishments to date. 1) getting by the MSM wall of silence and distortions on these important constitutional issues. 2) Providing the climate and awareness for the remaining actions necessary to resolve this potentially very harmful issue to our country and its people. I would encourage aka Obama to understand that potentially like Watergate if a crime is determined – then the cover ups are equally harmful to those that played both the big game and the end game (including MSM). Yes the US Constitution and Rule of law will ultimately prevail! The rub raw Aylnsky like waggle of the dog crisis’s will not distract from the root issues at the end of the day.
    Again, thank you Donald Trump for your outstanding service to your country!

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ Eldon E. Bell, M.D.

    Almost nothing in Ms. Fair’s video is true.

    If you would like to discuss any part in particular, then raise the issue and I’d be happy to discuss it with you. But just as a general observation, it is really rather bad.

  • The Magic M says:

    > The previous commenter, listed simply as “The Magic M”, has obviously not seen the video of Mrs. Tracy Fair, nor has this commenter done any in depth reading of the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT OF OUR UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!

    Actually I am perfectly familiar with the crap the birthers tout as “legal analysis”.

    All you have to offer against 200+ years of case law is “there was some Swiss dude who had a different definition contradicting 400+ years of Common Law and we’ll just claim that definition was what guided the Founders, then the Founders told no-one about using that different definition because they like to punk the American people”.

    > The Magic M is clearly not interested in fact but only in SPIN.

    Interesting that you make no attempt at refuting my arguments. And by “refuting” I do not mean “let’s just point to a birther site which makes wild allegations without any proof”.

    > Furthermore have some missteps in fabrication, per experts!

    You mean self-proclaimed experts like “Dr. Ron Polarik” or the “internet engineer” whose expertise is “I have used Adobe products before”?

    And why do you think the Hawaiian authorities have confirmed the document published by the WH as authentic?
    Are you still playing the “they are all part of one big conspiracy, encompassing Congress, the military, the courts, the FBI, the CIA, the media, …” card? That is not going to go over well with the sane public.
    You might just as well throw in some chemtrails, lizard people and flat Earth references for good measure.

    > the natural born citizen constitutional requirement while completely misstated and distorted

    You are able to read and understand the Wong Kim Ark decision confirming the lower court’s decision that WKA was a natural born citizen eligible for presidency?

    > The rub raw Aylnsky like waggle of the dog crisis’s

    What language is that again? Are you an American or a North Korean agent?

  • CJ says:

    To all who believe that Obama was born in Kenya, please take a look at this article::

    At a July 27, 2009, press briefing, radio talk show host Bill Press asked Gibbs if there was anything he could say to make the issue go away. Gibbs answered, “No. I mean, the God’s honest truth is no,” because “nothing will assuage” those who continue to pursue what he called “made-up, fictional nonsense” despite the evidence that Obama had already provided.[209][210]

    On August 6, 2009, Gibbs commented, “You couldn’t sell this script in Hollywood,” and summarized the contentions that he considered “totally crazy”:

    A pregnant woman leaves her home to go overseas to have a child — who there’s not a passport for — so is in cahoots with someone…to smuggle that child, that previously doesn’t exist on a government roll somewhere back into the country and has the amazing foresight to place birth announcements in the Hawaii newspapers? All while this is transpiring in cahoots with those in the border, all so some kid named Barack Obama could run for President 46 and a half years later.[211

  • The Magic M says:

    > A pregnant woman leaves her home to go overseas to have a child

    Not just that. The full story would have to go like this:

    A highly-pregnant woman decides to take a 5,000 mile, $10,000 flight to Nairobi, then a 24 hour bus ride across desert roads to Mombasa to give birth there, then within 2 days after giving birth takes the same monster trip back to the US, sneaking her child through customs, then somehow gets Hawaii to register the child as a local birth.

    All that when all she had to do to achieve the same result is simply *stay in Hawaii* and give birth there!

    The birther narrative especially does not work in the settings of 1961. They somehow assume you could just take a $500 flight non-stop to Mombasa as you can do today.

    They also assume a student couple had $10,000 to spend on this looney birth trip. Or that if someone (as some birthers claim) was willing to donate them the money, they’d rather spend it on this senseless trip (with *no* guarantee they’d succeed in duping the US authorities afterwards) than one something more useful.

  • Truth says:

    @ ALL THE LIBERAL STORY TELLERS:

    Thank you!!! All your efforts to deflate Lakin and his case is actually helping his cause. The fact that youre still trying to burry him six months after his imprisonment speaks volumes to your integrity, and honor. All the smearing and bile directed at this honorable soldier is going to backfire in youre faces.
    All of you who are treating him like the ‘black plague': Be careful, karma has a way of turing the favor of payback!!!

    The money that Lakin’s goning to make from his upcoming TV apperances and book deals will immensely overshadow all the money your making trying to smear him!!!

    LAUGH NOW-CRY LATER!!!

    P.S. In the end Lakin will have the last laugh!!!

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ Truth

    All the smearing and bile directed at this honorable soldier is going to backfire in youre faces.

    Whether or not you are an “honorable soldier” is usually formally recognized in the form of your discharge. Mine says “Honorable Discharge” on it… right across the top.

    Tell me… what does Lakin’s say?

    The money that Lakin’s goning to make from his upcoming TV apperances and book deals will immensely overshadow all the money your making trying to smear him!!!

    I would never begrudge a man from making a living. But I suspect you overestimate his star power. The folks who run the Terry Lakin Action Fun have been telling us that as soon as Obama released his long form birth certificate, contributions completely dried up.

    Let’s make a bet right here: I predict that fewer than 20 people will “greet” him at his arrival home in Baltimore. That would be about twice as many as showed up for his trial.

    What’s your guess?

  • The Magic M says:

    Didn’t the birthers predict Blue Falcon Lakin’s conviction would cause an uproar (and, following that, an uprising) in the military and the general public?

    Hello, birthers, reality check! Where is it? Nobody outside your little circle of echochamber-poisoned buddies knows him. Obama doesn’t know him. He is totally unimportant.

    But if it appeases your birther mind, we can meet again here in 6 months, or 2 years, or whenever, and still I will be right and you still will be stammering “any day now… any day now…”.

  • EdWerder says:

    You people understand to even get in the door AS A VISITOR at the Whitehouse you have pass EXTENSIVE background check. Right?

    This issue is a great way to understand the mental capacity of anyone.

    To entertain the idea a illegal alien is the CiC is pure ignorance and partial mental illness.

    This turd is a coward, he knows better.

  • KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD

    100% sourced with Govt documnets and the founders writings.

    SEE FOR YOURSELF!

    The video that will END the Obama Presidency! Birthers Get Last Laugh & Demand Formal Apology
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1DHZmeMXyE

    Can’t run from the FACTS!

    I got a video on you Fogbow OBOTS too, COME SEE, it’s featured!

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ KenyanBornObamAcorn

    I got a video on you Fogbow OBOTS too, COME SEE, it’s featured!

    We know. We’ve been laughing about it all morning.

  • J. Muggs says:

    Thankfully, Lakin chose to not disgrace his uniform by wearing it home. Maybe it finally occurred to him that he has disgraced it enough already.

  • Jack D. says:

    Terry Lakin is a coward and a traitor.

    God, help us if the Navy SEALs said ‘no’ to orders because the President was an African American. And that order to enter Pakistan came directly from the President himself.

  • exteacher says:

    Lakin is a traitor. Period.

  • Laurence S. Eraut says:

    1. He is in America illegally, as his real name is Barry Soetoro.
    2. Fearing because he is not a citizen, he used dead persons’ social security numbers. 39 of them.
    This was coincidental with his selective service non-registration. The number he is presently
    using, 042-68-4425, would make his age to be 121 years old, because it is
    not his own social security number.
    3. Chicago is a spiritual city, also it is a city full of crime. With these other crimes surfacing,
    his history in Chicago will also surface.
    4. He is a Muslim, and on his Indonesian passport he visited Pakistan, no doubt to get into
    a heap of trouble . I have heard that he became a heroin addict, and still is, a heroin addict.
    Possibly he has found medication, or has dealt with this problem.
    5. It is possible that his Kenyan birth certificate is valid, since he claimed in his book to be
    a dual citizen, and since a Kenyan birth can be registered by a relative, for a Hawaiian Certificate.
    Since his father, in Kenya at the time, was counted as a British citizen, Barry Soetoro inherited
    British Citizenship, Plus Kenyan, or Indonesian Citizenship. Dual citizenship is not permitted
    for an American President. On his supposed birth certificate, it mentions Kenya, which was not
    a country in 1961, mentions African, instead of Negro, the terminology of 1961, and mentions
    the name of the hospital, which was not that name until 1978. Also the supposed birth certificate
    is not a white, photostatic copy, since there is no original, it is a new construction on blue paper.

    As for his performance in the office of President, there are many elected officials complaining:
    1. He does not honor nor obey the Constitution of U.S.A.
    2. He has appointed many Czars, officials to rule over us, who report, not to Congress, but who
    report only to him, the President. This was installing Fascism.
    3. He promised Peace, and I do not know how many wars the U.S. is currently fighting.
    4. He made his own mandatory health plan “Obamacare” and undemocratically pushed it through
    Congress, using midnight hours to assure passage. That was pure Marxism.
    5. He did not make the final decision to get Osama Bin Laden, he delayed, delayed, even knowing
    were he was, since August 2010. A General made the decision, not Obama.
    6. He has spoken against Israel.

    I mention #6 above, because now he has mocked the authorities on high. It appears very much to me,
    that if he is not the ANTI-CHRIST, he is a very close second. If he is the ANTI-CHRIST, he will make
    a promise to defend Israel When the Russians and Arabs begin to march toward Israel, he will break
    his promise to Israel. Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 (WW III).

    Yours Sincerely,
    Laurence S. Eraut erautlaurence@yahoo.com

  • The Magic M says:

    Oh boy what a senseless rehash of the long-debunked birther myths. Then again, it shows that there’s no cure for Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    > 1. He is in America illegally, as his real name is Barry Soetoro.

    Proof?

    > The number he is presently using, 042-68-4425, would make his age to be 121 years old, because it is
    not his own social security number.

    Proof? This has all been made up by someone who does not understand how to read the output of several SSN databases which themselves say the information is “collected from different sources with different reliability”.
    To assume that when three dates show up for his SSN – 4/8/1961, 8/4/1961, 1890 – that the former two (which are just mixups of day and month) are wrong and the latter is “correct” shows strong confirmation bias. Besides it would require another “everyone is in on the conspiracy” wingnuttery since obviously neither the Social Security Administration nor the IRS seem to care if there are, as you claim, two persons in the register with the same SSN.

    > his history in Chicago will also surface

    Innuendo without any facts to back up.

    > He is a Muslim

    Innuendo without any facts to back up.

    > on his Indonesian passport he visited Pakistan

    Still flogging the “Pakistan travel ban” dead horse, also known as ANOTHER BIRTHER LIE?

    > I have heard that he became a heroin addict, and still is, a heroin addict.

    I have heard you are a North Korean agent trying to undermine the US democracy. Is that true? Are you also still beating your wife?

    > It is possible that his Kenyan birth certificate is valid

    It is possible you are severely deluded and spread deliberate lies. Oh, wait, no, that’s a 100% fact.

    > inherited British Citizenship, Plus Kenyan, or Indonesian Citizenship

    Now which is it? You don’t seem to be very sure yourself. Of course, since you’re only repeating the lies you’ve read elsewhere without knowing what’s true and what’s not.

    > Dual citizenship is not permitted for an American President.

    That’s funny because the Constitution only says “natural born” but does not rule out someone becoming a dual citizen after his birth. Riddle me that, birther!

    > He has appointed many Czars

    You mean like GWB did?

    > He did not make the final decision to get Osama Bin Laden

    Were you present when the “final decision” was made or are you just parroting what you’ve read on site that make up their stories again?

    > He does not honor nor obey the Constitution of U.S.A.

    Obviously you don’t even know it if you claim that an NBC must have two citizen parents (which neither the Constitution nor any law book says, only a single treatise by a Swiss philosopher that you birfers try to make contrived argument about why he was “worshipped by the Founders”).

    > Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 (WW III).

    Why don’t you start by reading the Ten Commandments, including “You shall not bear false witness”? I love how you bigots always waive your Bible while utterly failing to adhere to its standards yourself.

  • HistorianDude says:

    @ Laurence S. Eraut

    In your five points, I count 17 falsehoods.

    How does one even function at such complete detachment from reality?

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